[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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Bidding starting with East (RHO):
(1H)-p-(2H)-2S
(3H)-???
Opps play a standard 5-car M system.
DBL by you is still take-out oriented, but doesn't really show a fit.
If you DBL, should partner always bid 3S with a minimal hand.
What do you consider miinimum to bid 2S at MP's?

[jtfanclub]

(auction corrected above)

This post has been edited by jtfanclub: 2007-February-14, 16:38

[kgr]

[QUOTE=jtfanclub [/QUOTE]
Thanks. corrected

[BebopKid]

4♠

I think opps probably around 20-24 HCP.

I don't want them to play 3♥ or 4♥.

I think my partner is void in hearts so I'm improving his strength in my mind.

[whereagles]

3♠. Let's not hang pard for (correctly) butting-in with

KQxxx
x
Axx
xxxx

[Double !]

2 possibilities
1) just bid 4 spades. Partner has at most 1 heart, so you are playing with a 30 point deck (not to be confused with "not playing with a full deck").

2) HOWEVER, if it part of the partnership agreement that partner is permitted to bid 2♠ with a hand that is less than an opening bid, such as whereagles' example, then (provided that we have discussed this) IMO a 3 ♥ bid might be used as a game try in spades (not asking for a heart stopper- this hand didn't bid over the 1H opener). Just be sure the partnership has discussed what the 2S bidder needs to accept the game try. Even so, with my kings including my KQ located behind the 1♥ opener, I'm not so sure that I don't want to be in 4S even opposite that sample hand. However, if wrong, I want to be wrong in favor of obtaining a plus score on the hand.

So, if discussed, IMO, 3♥ seems like a good bid. I'm not clear what a simple raise to 3♠ would mean...(competitive?)

DHL

[cherdano]

Don, in the correct auction opponent's bid 3♥. If we could bid 3♥, that would clearly be best.

Not having 3♥ available, I would 4♠ at IMPs and 3♠ at MPs.

[kgr]

Thought this was more intersting hand then the 7-4 post and hoped for more answers here. Let me rephrase my questions.
(1H)-P-(2H)-2S
(3H)-??
Questions: (difficult at MP's I think)
- What is minimum hand for the 2S bid?
- If DBL is takeout: What should DBL mean/ask here and should 2S bidder with a minimum hand and a 4-card m bid 3S or 4m?
- Is 3S competitive or invitational?

Thanks,
Koen

[inquiry]

kgr, on Feb 14 2007, 05:26 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

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Bidding starting with East (RHO):
(1H)-p-(2H)-2S
(3H)-???
Opps play a standard 5-car M system.
DBL by you is still take-out oriented, but doesn't really show a fit.
If you DBL, should partner always bid 3S with a minimal hand.
What do you consider miinimum to bid 2S at MP's?

The problem, such as it is, is not what the opponents play so much as does your partner subscribe to the theory of OBAR (opponents bid and raise). According to this theory, your partner will bid anytime he has the right distribution as a "pre-balance".

If the opponents ahve huge fit and values for game, his bid makes littel difference, they will simply bid game. If instead you have points, you may not have the hand to "balance" with. (as this 3-4-3-3 shows).

If you do not play OBAR, forcing to game is clear cut, and in fact, you may well have a slam. If you do play OBAR your partner may have already bid everyone of your points and managed to push them to 3♥ rather than let them rest peacefully in 2♥.

Playing OBAR, I would think a minimum for a frisky partner, not vul, might be something like... ♠KQTxx ♥x ♦xxx ♣xxxx.

At MP, if we were VUL, I think I would bid 4♠ figuring partner would not risk bidding crazy where -200 for us could be death. If we were not vul, I would consider both pass and 3♠. I maybe the only one considering pass. IF opponents play "constructive" raises, I think I would pass if they were vulnerable. If partner has something, we might set them two when we can't make 4, and if he doesn't we don't we might go down a couple doubled. If they are not vul, I would bid 3♠. The reason being, they might take the push to 4♥ over 3♠ and WEST is more likely to be pushing with 3♥ at t this vulnerability. IF they don't promise "good values" for 2♥ raise, I would compete to 3♠ with some reaonsable worries.

If we do not play OBAR, I will bid 4♥ over 3♥ as a mild slam try.

[HeartA]

4♠

[Winstonm]

Justin stole my thunder...at MPs in this auction 2S shows nothing more than a fairly good suit. KQ9xx, x, xxxx, xxx would be fine.

With that said, I think that using double as you do is not the best of methods - it might be better to use 3S as competitive and double as showing values worth a game try - after all, you're really not going to be trying to uncover a whole new minor-suit fit at the 4-level in this auction, so why waste the bid that way.