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Posted 2007-February-06, 11:55
sigh. 2NT-3♦-3♥-3NT.
I hope pd likes hearts. Lol.
I hope pd likes hearts. Lol.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 11:56
I would transfer to hearts and then bid 4♦ if I get no super-acceptance of hearts, personally.
Three reasons.
First, 4♥ or 5♦ might be better than 3NT.
Second, partner can have the right hand for slam in either strain.
Third, I'd rather describe than guess with 6-5-1-1; at least this way I cannot be accused of not bringing partner into the auction.
Three reasons.
First, 4♥ or 5♦ might be better than 3NT.
Second, partner can have the right hand for slam in either strain.
Third, I'd rather describe than guess with 6-5-1-1; at least this way I cannot be accused of not bringing partner into the auction.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 11:59
Transfer ♥, if no super accept (we usually superaccept with 3+ card support), transfer ♦
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Posted 2007-February-06, 12:15
kenrexford, on Feb 6 2007, 09:56 AM, said:
I would transfer to hearts and then bid 4♦ if I get no super-acceptance of hearts, personally.
Three reasons.
First, 4♥ or 5♦ might be better than 3NT.
Second, partner can have the right hand for slam in either strain.
Third, I'd rather describe than guess with 6-5-1-1; at least this way I cannot be accused of not bringing partner into the auction.
Three reasons.
First, 4♥ or 5♦ might be better than 3NT.
Second, partner can have the right hand for slam in either strain.
Third, I'd rather describe than guess with 6-5-1-1; at least this way I cannot be accused of not bringing partner into the auction.
Ditto. Hopefully pard doesn't go overboard, which is very possible after:
2N - 3♦
3♥ - 4♦
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Posted 2007-February-06, 12:31
"sigh. 2NT-3D-3♥-3NT."
Agree.
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Agree.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 12:32
This is a no brainer. Transfer to hearts and bid diamonds.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 13:05
Yep, I'm showing hearts and diamonds.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 13:42
2NT 3♦
3♥ 4♦
Now if pard bids 4NT (misfit) I bid 5♦ (65 sign-off). Else, I'll bid 6♦.
3♥ 4♦
Now if pard bids 4NT (misfit) I bid 5♦ (65 sign-off). Else, I'll bid 6♦.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 13:45
I'd be interested in what 4♦ would show for u people who thought it was the best idea... 5-4? 4-5? 5-5 necessarily? Control showing for long hearts etc? It's not as no-brainer as it first looks, IMHO.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 13:50
gwnn, on Feb 6 2007, 07:45 PM, said:
I'd be interested in what 4♦ would show for u people who thought it was the best idea... 5-4? 4-5? 5-5 necessarily? Control showing for long hearts etc? It's not as no-brainer as it first looks, IMHO.
The standard meaning for 4♦ is, I belive, a natural slam try with at least a 5♥-4♦.
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Posted 2007-February-06, 15:58
I say transfer to hearts and bid 3NT
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Posted 2007-February-07, 03:35
3♦ then 4♦. I'm not too worried about what it specifically shows, because p knows I have ♥s and ♦s, and I don't want to play in 3NT. I've said my bit so I'll accept whatever he decides best.
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Posted 2007-February-07, 08:27
Put me in the 3D then 4D (if no super accept) camp. We are NOT playing this in NT. We are playing in a red suit. The opps may find the right black suit lead and 3N is getting hurt. Trying to make 3N opposite a 6-5 is no fun - especially one with no entries.
3D then 4D shows either 5-4+ with slam interest, or 5-5+ for non-NT game. In any case 4D is forcing.
Over 4D, opener bids 4H to accept hearts as trump, 4N to deny both, or anything else to accept diam. If opener bids 4H, I guess we give up and pass. If opener retreats to 4N, I will bid 5D. If opener q-bids a black suit, accepting diam, I will try 6D and hope opener has 3 aces.
3D then 4D shows either 5-4+ with slam interest, or 5-5+ for non-NT game. In any case 4D is forcing.
Over 4D, opener bids 4H to accept hearts as trump, 4N to deny both, or anything else to accept diam. If opener bids 4H, I guess we give up and pass. If opener retreats to 4N, I will bid 5D. If opener q-bids a black suit, accepting diam, I will try 6D and hope opener has 3 aces.
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Posted 2007-February-07, 11:21
whereagles, on Feb 6 2007, 02:50 PM, said:
gwnn, on Feb 6 2007, 07:45 PM, said:
I'd be interested in what 4♦ would show for u people who thought it was the best idea... 5-4? 4-5? 5-5 necessarily? Control showing for long hearts etc? It's not as no-brainer as it first looks, IMHO.
The standard meaning for 4♦ is, I belive, a natural slam try with at least a 5♥-4♦.
I would not be so enthusiastic about slam with 5-4 only, and bypass 3NT, so with 5-4-2-2 or 5-4-3-1 , I would transfer in H and bid 3NT and hope for the best.
Fishing for slam with 5-4 tends to be risky if partner does not have the right cards, and 90% of the time you will find 3NT was the best contract,
So, I think there is a case where transfer and bidding a new suit, natural, should show good unbalaced hand, 5-5 minimum
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Posted 2007-February-07, 11:48
dcvetkov, on Feb 7 2007, 05:21 PM, said:
I would not be so enthusiastic about slam with 5-4 only, and bypass 3NT, so with 5-4-2-2 or 5-4-3-1 , I would transfer in H and bid 3NT and hope for the best.
Fishing for slam with 5-4 tends to be risky if partner does not have the right cards, and 90% of the time you will find 3NT was the best contract,
So, I think there is a case where transfer and bidding a new suit, natural, should show good unbalaced hand, 5-5 minimum
Fishing for slam with 5-4 tends to be risky if partner does not have the right cards, and 90% of the time you will find 3NT was the best contract,
So, I think there is a case where transfer and bidding a new suit, natural, should show good unbalaced hand, 5-5 minimum
You are allowed to be 5-4-3-1 and have more high cards... 3NT won't be the right contract if you have, say, x KQxxx KQxx Axx opposite a 2NT opening. You want to show partner your distribution to find out if the right contract is 6C, 6D, 6H, 6NT, 7C, 7D, 7H or 7NT. (On my sample hand I would transfer to hearts, then bid diamonds, then bid clubs if partner still shows no enthusiasm).
If you bid 2NT - 3D - 3H - 4D, all you can say is that if you are 5-4 only, you are strong enough to play in 4NT.
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