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Posted 2007-February-11, 15:53

Lately I've seen several pairs play "flannery responses" or "reversed flannery responses" after 1m openings. I was wondering what the main advantages are, why they seem necessary or useful, and how you fill up the extra space, since you don't have weak and invite hands with 5-4M anymore. Anyone care to explain plz?
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Posted 2007-February-11, 18:06

Many versions of reverse flannery, Flop, etc responses.

Yes you can still have invite 5-4 hands if you play 1 minor-2h as weakish but not invite and not silly weak.

that leaves 1 minor=2s as invite in that minor, often unbalanced.
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Posted 2007-February-12, 05:18

The main reason to use some form of flannery response is to avoid the nightmare sequence : 1D 1S 2D where 2H would be forcing and you might have a heart fit or even game (especially in european systems where the 2H reverse is fairly strong). The idea was extended to the 1C opening ; not sure this is as useful but it does fit nicely if you choose to bypass sapdes over 1C 1H with balanced hands (and avoids some problems when 4th hand overcalls). You loose weak twos in response to 1m but this may actually be an asset rather than a liability
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Posted 2007-February-12, 07:08

Reverse Flannery can be discussed in about 2 minutes with a bright partner too. As Marc mentions, it avoids nightmare rebids when partner rebids 2 of the minor.
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Posted 2007-February-12, 07:56

While we have a RFR thread.. if you play RFR, how do you play...

1m-2?

Is this 2 preemptive with spades, invitational with a RFR type hand (5, 4+), GF with a RFR type hand, forcing with , or something else?
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Posted 2007-February-12, 08:36

inquiry, on Feb 12 2007, 05:56 AM, said:

While we have a RFR thread.. if  you play RFR, how do you play...

1m-2?

Is this 2 preemptive with spades, invitational with a RFR type hand (5, 4+), GF with a RFR type hand, forcing with , or something else?

Had this exact discussion yesterday/ My favorite meaning is a mixed raise of the minor. This adds a lot of clarity to the 1 minor - 3 minor sequence.

At Dallas last year though, several pairs had a multiple meaning for 2 though (midchart).
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Posted 2007-February-12, 08:52

inquiry, on Feb 12 2007, 08:56 AM, said:

While we have a RFR thread.. if you play RFR, how do you play...

1m-2?

Is this 2 preemptive with spades, invitational with a RFR type hand (5, 4+), GF with a RFR type hand, forcing with , or something else?

I think I answered that :)
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Posted 2007-February-13, 03:45

I also play 1m-2 as unbalanced with support, with about 7-9 points (balanced hands bid 1NT), which leaves 1m-3m as a more pure preempt. The other raises are 1m-2m = 10+, and 1m-2NT = balanced GF (with 2-4 cards support).
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Posted 2007-February-13, 04:29

What do you do with minimum hands with 5-5M? Still the reverse flannery with the right HCP range?
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Posted 2007-February-13, 05:18

Free, on Feb 13 2007, 05:29 AM, said:

What do you do with minimum hands with 5-5M? Still the reverse flannery with the right HCP range?

Yes, even with 5-5, again weakish but not silly weak and not invite.
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