[Winstonm]

Scoring: IMP

1D-1S
2C-???

It's the last board of a tightly fought match. You are quietly kibitzing this hand - (you have a hefty side bet on this team) when the player hands you the cards and claims a pressing need for the restroom...an hour later everyone is still waiting and the director forces you into the fray as a substitue - what call do you make?

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[pbleighton]

2D, better a 5-1 than a 4-2, if pd is 4441 or 55 too bad.

Peter

[flytoox]

If pd has minor two suiters and maximum for his 2C rebid, we may still have game or even slams. So we should try to keep the auction going.

My choice is 2N. If it is passed I hope it is as good as 2D. If pd bid out his shape via 3M or 3m, I'll be well informed to make the right call.



A side point, Fred Gitelman-MOss in there convention card has a gadget over pd's 1D opening, i.e., 2H shows 5H4S weak, and 2S to show 5H4S invitational. I think this is an excellent treatment.

[the hog]

2D of course. What else? Fly were you smoking noxious substances when you posted this? Opener has shown at least 9 minor suits cards; you have no stoppers in either Major and you want to bid 2NT???? (Not to mention wrongsiding any possible NT contract.)

[vang]

errr. i'll choose between 2D and going to restrooms to find the player who left ;-)

[Adebisi]

2♦ to play 4-1 if opener has 1444 hand and 4H is cold?Or opener has (31)54 then 3 or 4 MAJ. U should have bid to show inv 55 MAJ-s here, over 4th suit: 2H then 3H or jump to 3H depending on your style here. And 2C in nat systems 11-17 , its so wide range if opener is max u could have also 3NT.But 2D with this hand really funny.

[P_Marlowe]

2D.

2S and 2H is out
Pass maybe right, but usually partner has longer diamonds
than clubs, additionally you have the chance, that partner
makes a game try with 2S, if you bid on.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Halo]

2NT

Another crazy optimist!

I've done the right thing with this sort of hand before, only to find partner with a mundane:

Ax,xx,AQJxx,Kxxx

wrapping up 3NT.

Three top honours in partners suits is not bad.

[whereagles]

The_Hog, on Jan 31 2007, 06:34 AM, said:

2D of course. What else? Fly were you smoking noxious substances when you posted this? Opener has shown at least 9 minor suits cards; you have no stoppers in either Major and you want to bid 2NT???? (Not to mention wrongsiding any possible NT contract.)

Agree with this, except for the noxious substances

[flytoox]

The_Hog, on Jan 31 2007, 06:34 AM, said:

2D of course. What else? Fly were you smoking noxious substances when you posted this? Opener has shown at least 9 minor suits cards; you have no stoppers in either Major and you want to bid 2NT???? (Not to mention wrongsiding any possible NT contract.)

A few comments.

First, pd has only shown 8 minor cards. WIth 1444 he bid the same way.

Second, 2N will not wrong side the contract as you suggest. If pd is 5431, he will bid out the shape and you can raise as I said. If pd is 1444, and accepts my 2N invitation then he will bid 3H ont the way and I can reach the major suit game. If he is 5422 then he will not bid this way with same about 16HCP hand. If 2N is the final contract, I admit it is not pretty, but 4-1 or 5-1 fit 2D contract isnot either. This is the risk I am willing to take.

LAST BUT NOT LEAST, PLEASE USE CIVILIIZED LANGUAGE!

[SoTired]

2N???? on 9hcp with ALL my strength in my 2-1 suits? My 2N are invitational to 3N and expect partner to bid 3N with Qx Ax Axxxx KJxx. How are you going to get 9 tricks.

2D is best choice.

Some play that 2H in this situation is non-forcing. If I have that agreement, then I would try that.

[awm]

Hate to mention this again, but hands like these are a huge win for a style where opener rebids 1NT on most minimum 1444 and 1354 type patterns. Over 1NT we have an easy 2♥ rebid. In the actual auction, the rebid is much less painful if we know that partner can't have these hands (opposite 1444, we are preferring a 4-1 to a 4-2, with a side 5-4 fit undiscovered).

Anyways I'll go with 2♦, confident that partner will bid on with a strong three-suited pattern and would've bid 1NT with a weak one.

[Apollo81]

2♦....other calls seem ridiculous.

[Halo]

Apollo81, on Jan 31 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

2♦....other calls seem ridiculous.

Wrong possibly, but how could my example partner hand:

Ax,xx,AQJxx,Kxxx

be 'ridiculous'. Would you be ridiculed for holding this hand? Would you bid on over 2D?

Out there at IMPs, it's a not a bidding comp, you have to win on the night.

[jtfanclub]

Winstonm, on Jan 30 2007, 09:38 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1D-1S
2C-???

It's the last board of a tightly fought match. You are quietly kibitzing this hand - (you have a hefty side bet on this team) when the player hands you the cards and claims a pressing need for the restroom...an hour later everyone is still waiting and the director forces you into the fray as a substitue - what call do you make?

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I don't understand...or maybe I'm just ridiculous.

It seems like, on the first bid, when responder called 1♠ he's decided that his hand is worth a second bid. So I'm going to call 2♥. If partner rebids 2♠ I pass happily.

I'm not saying that I like the auction...I'm wishing that he'd bid 1♥ the first time, in which case I'd say 2♦ the second time. But now that I've been forced to call 1♠, I think I have to remain constant.

Obviously, there must be a flaw in my logic, but what is it?

[Apollo81]

Halo, on Jan 31 2007, 04:55 PM, said:

Apollo81, on Jan 31 2007, 01:58 PM, said:

2♦....other calls seem ridiculous.

Wrong possibly, but how could my example partner hand:

Ax,xx,AQJxx,Kxxx

be 'ridiculous'. Would you be ridiculed for holding this hand? Would you bid on over 2D?

Out there at IMPs, it's a not a bidding comp, you have to win on the night.

hm, heart lead...spade shift

8 tricks even with diam 4-3

[pbleighton]

"Wrong possibly, but how could my example partner hand:

Ax,xx,AQJxx,Kxxx

be 'ridiculous'. Would you be ridiculed for holding this hand?"

No, that's not the point.

As responder, however, you might be ridiculed for assuming partner had
this hand.

You have a misfitting 9 count opposite a hand which may be nothing in particular, up to an 18 count. Trust partner to push on with good 16-18 points, and don't worry about the <26 point misfitting 3NT contracts which make.

The 1x-1y-2z rebid is very wide ranging, and is a big flaw in standard bidding. Inviting with misfitting 9 counts doesn't make the flaw any smaller.

Peter

[whereagles]

> my example partner hand:
>
> Ax,xx,AQJxx,Kxxx
>
> Would you bid on over 2D?

No, but I might have rebid 1NT (not that that's an issue - just move a spade into clubs).


> Out there at IMPs, it's a not a bidding comp, you have to win on the night.

Yes. But not at all costs. The percentage action on a misfit is not to get happy.

[Halo]

OK

Weight of opinion against me - can't ignore it!

Apollo can't count to nine but never mind (unless he really thinks people usually cash out AKQJ10 against a seven card fit).

For the rest, you are maybe right, but one off in 2D and two off in 3NT. Bear in mind that you play it, you don't foist it on partner.

[pbleighton]

"For the rest, you are maybe right, but one off in 2D and two off in 3NT. Bear in mind that you play it, you don't foist it on partner."

Yeah, but my partner shares the score with me.

BTW, I don't like 2NT, but I've made far worse bids

Peter