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#1 User is offline   Wackojack 

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Posted 2007-January-20, 11:08

Scoring: MP

E S W N
1♣ 1♠ dbl 3♠
4♦ ?
Same event
After double we play:
redouble shows something in spades but not necessarily length
2♣ = tell me more, normally showing spade support
3♠ 4♠ = pre-empt.

What do you bid now?
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Posted 2007-January-20, 11:18

I pass. I doubt partner has heart shortness, and KJxx Kxx xx xxxx is not a weak raise in my opinion. I think that it is very unlikely that we have game, and I have no idea what they can make. I bet they don't know either.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-January-20, 11:23

I will almost always go to 4M with 10 trumps, but here I would pass, a combination of honor placement and vulnerability.

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Posted 2007-January-20, 13:22

4♠ for now. The real decision is to come next round, after opps bid 5m.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 14:30

I used to try to stop on a dime (decades ago).

Now with six card suit and 3S from partner the answer is I bid game. I really don't care if I can make or not, because:

a) I probably can unless opponents are making something
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Posted 2007-January-20, 15:17

Thinking about bidding is an overbid. We have pushed them into 4D which may or may not be a good spot. LHO may have a modest single suited with hearts, and pard may have some clubs here. The bidding is far from over but 4S just asks for trouble.

Put it this way, if you bid 4S and pray the opponents rescue youve made a bad call.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 17:04

4S just gives them a fielders choice. Theyre already forced to 5 of a minor so whats the point of 4S?
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Posted 2007-January-20, 17:39

4S.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I can understand the pass,
and pass is probably better at MP,
but at IMP's I think I try 4S.
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Posted 2007-January-21, 03:37

Jlall, on Jan 20 2007, 11:04 PM, said:

4S just gives them a fielders choice. Theyre already forced to 5 of a minor so whats the point of 4S?

huh.. to show pard extra shape so that he can bid 5♠, maybe? :)
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Posted 2007-January-21, 05:18

I'd expect this to be on the heart finesse. Unfortunately this will be offside.

I have reasonable defence to 5 of a minor either way, so I'll let them have it.
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Posted 2007-January-21, 15:53

Reminding you that this was MP scoring.
You bid 4♠ which is passed out. Dummy goes down:
♠ A10854
♥ K2
♦ 865
♣ J96
You make 10 tricks for a good score. Well bid.

Only joking.... same cards but different suits. This was the actual layuot:
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Moreover after you bid 4♠ (actually my partner) East then doubles and you go for -500 which is a near zero.
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Posted 2007-January-21, 17:47

your pd's in good company :P :) :P B) :blink: :P B) :)
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Posted 2007-January-21, 19:41

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Posted 2007-January-21, 19:42

whereagles, on Jan 21 2007, 04:37 AM, said:

Jlall, on Jan 20 2007, 11:04 PM, said:

4S just gives them a fielders choice. Theyre already forced to 5 of a minor so whats the point of 4S?

huh.. to show pard extra shape so that he can bid 5♠, maybe? <_<

You show this exact shape from bidding? Interesting... Partner who bid 3S will now bid 5S? Interesting. And you want him to this when you have this much defense? Interesting.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 03:29

Wackojack, on Jan 21 2007, 09:53 PM, said:

Moreover after you bid 4♠ (actually my partner) East then doubles and you go for -500 which is a near zero.

But it looks as if EW are about to play in 5C which will be -600 (unless they play in 5D one off instead, of course). The damage was done by the double & the 4D bid.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 04:03

Just about maximum unsuitable South, and 4S doubled still beats par. Can't be such a bad bid.

'Fielder's choice' can also be a written 'chance to go wrong': half full, and half empty.
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Posted 2007-January-22, 04:35

Jlall, on Jan 22 2007, 01:42 AM, said:

You show this exact shape from bidding? Interesting... Partner who bid 3S will now bid 5S? Interesting. And you want him to this when you have this much defense? Interesting.

Say, are you actually interestin.. err interested in a reply from me?
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Posted 2007-January-22, 07:56

FrancesHinden, on Jan 22 2007, 04:29 AM, said:

The damage was done by the double & the 4D bid.

And the 3♠ bid?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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