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#1 User is offline   Wackojack 

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Posted 2007-January-20, 10:55

Scoring: MP

Playing 2/1 in a local heat of the National Pairs, partner picks up this hand and passes. The bidding then goes:
S W N E
p p 1♥ 2♣
3♣4♣p p
p

We play:
2NT is natural
3♠ is a jump fit
4♦ is a splinter
3♣ is 3+ support at least to level
3♥ and 4♥ is weak
Partner decided that he did not want to commit to game with such a hand so the only forward going bid available was 3♣. Comments please.
After opps raise to 4♣ and I pass, partner passes. Comments please
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Posted 2007-January-20, 10:58

Wackojack, on Jan 20 2007, 11:55 AM, said:

Partner decided that he did not want to commit to game with such a hand so only forward going bid available was 3♣.  Comments please.

Depends on partnership style for 3rd seat opening bids - if style is still decent opening bids I would make the 3♠ fit bid - if quite ratty 3rd seat hands allowed I could understand 3♣, but I would still bid 3♠ myself as I like the playing value of this hand in ♥s.

Wackojack, on Jan 20 2007, 11:55 AM, said:

After opps raise to 4♣ and I pass, partner passes.  Comments please

After the 4♣ let-me-push-you-to-game bid, responder can "picture" opener with short ♣s - with 4 trumps and source of tricks in ♠s I would push on to 4♥ here.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 11:07

What kind of comments do you expect? This seems fine.

I might have bid 3S immediately, but knowing how light my partners sometimes open in third seat I can't fault the 3C bid. Passing 4C seems consistent with that decision, certainly pass is not forcing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-January-20, 11:09

officeglen, on Jan 20 2007, 11:58 AM, said:

After the 4♣ let-me-push-you-to-game bid, responder can "picture" opener with short ♣s - with 4 trumps and source of tricks in ♠s I would push on to 4♥ here.

With a full opener and club shortness partner would have bid game himself, so it seems like partner indeed has a very light opening.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2007-January-20, 11:21

3C is fine, but I would have bid 4H after 4C.

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Posted 2007-January-20, 12:07

It makes sense to play 2♠ here as a fit bid as well, doesn't it? Rather like in the unopposed auction P 1♥ 2♠

If I can't open a weak two, It is unlikley I have a hand without a ♥ fit which wants to mention ♠ rather than, say making a -ve double.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 12:35

pbleighton, on Jan 20 2007, 07:21 PM, said:

3C is fine, but I would have bid 4H after 4C.

I would also force to game. I don't think partner can judge this hand over 3♣, he may be expecting a (semi-)balanced 10 count with 3-card support and this hand much stronger.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 13:13

If you choose to force to game then it makes much more sense to bid 3S immediately.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 13:24

4♥. The cross-shortness in the minors makes this a good proposition. There might be another decision coming over opps 5♣, but I guess I'll dbl that.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 13:50

"If you choose to force to game then it makes much more sense to bid 3S immediately."

That would be true if pd wasn't a third seat opener. Since he is, my "invitational" range is much wider than otherwise. The hand shown is a very easy GF opposite a first hand opener, and I would bid 3C with a significantly weaker hand than this. Also, the 4C bid makes it highly likely than we have opposing singletons in the minors - my hand just got better.

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Posted 2007-January-20, 14:26

I'm probably out of line.

I would be hugely disappointed in partner. I'm OK with 3C, because its flexible - maybe not ideal. Pass out I cannot contemplate.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 14:36

Hannie, on Jan 20 2007, 09:13 PM, said:

If you choose to force to game then it makes much more sense to bid 3S immediately.

I meant to write this as well, but then I wasn't so sure. If we trust opponents have a 9-card fit, the hand not only got better due to partner's club shortness, it also makes it more likely he has 5 hearts.
After 3C, I would respect partner's 3S sign-off, but move on if he makes a game try with 3♦.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 16:35

Clearly a GF imo
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Posted 2007-January-20, 17:02

Seems like a clear opening bid. I would bid 3S over 2C and i would DEFINITELY bid 4H over 4C.

If partner has a psyche you will very often make game. For instance Jxx AQxxx xxxx x, xx Axxxxx Axx xx, Axx Qxxxx Axx xx all produce nearly cold games.
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Posted 2007-January-20, 17:38

Hi,

I think pass intead of 1S is ok,
but I would bid 3S.

It does not force to game, partner
can pass 3S, if he thinks 3S plays
better has a chance to make and 4H
not.

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Posted 2007-January-21, 11:53

My cards were:
♠xxx
♥AQ1052
♦KQ7
♣xx
4♣ was 1 off with most in 4♠ with 4 tricks off the top. Congratulations partner but you might have doubled.

Only joking....This was the reality

Scoring: MP


4♥ making an overtrick scoring a round zero

btw we don't open especially light in this position but would tend to open on marginal hands.
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