[Gpm_bg]

Scoring: IMP

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So, South opening 1♦->followed by 1♥ by East, DBL from partner, pass , you rebid 1♠, pass (East),3NT by partner, DBL (West),
Your call now ?

[Poky]

Pass.

No resaon not to believe partner is doing the right action.

[gwnn]

so the bidding went
1♦-1♥-X-p
1♠-p-3NT-x?

I don't have my compass on me but you might have mistaken one of the players' position?

Anyway, pass should do it. partner knows better.

[brianshark]

I'm more reluctant to pass. Partner will make a judgement call based on the expectancy that you have a more normal 5422 shape and 12-14 pts or so. You have fewer points and more extreme shape. I'm thinking pulling to 4♦ might not be such a bad idea.

[Gpm_bg]

gwnn, on Jan 18 2007, 10:57 AM, said:

so the bidding went
1♦-1♥-X-p
1♠-p-3NT-x?

Yep. That's the whole bidding so far.

On 4♦ you will get bid 4♥ from partner.
You again ?

[brianshark]

Ooh... this is more like a live auction than a quiz.

I'll cue my ♠ Ace.

[FrancesHinden]

I wouldn't dream of passing 3NT even before it was doubled; I'm certainly not doing so now.

I don't think partner's 4H bid should be a slam try, it should be offering 4S or 5D - particularly as I'm pretty much marked with a heart void. But this is all getting a bit murky so I'll just bid 4S.

(I'm assuming partner's double showed four spades....if it denied 4S this is all going to be very different)

[brianshark]

Yes, it's definately a little unclear where we're going. I'm worried that partner's Dbl might not have been a genuine ♠ suit rather a place-holder for the delayed jump to 3NT. But partner shouldn't expect me to have more than 4 ♠s. If I had 6-5 shape, I'd have pulled to 4♠ rather than 4♦. That's why I think 4♠ is a safe bid... either partner genuine ♠ support, or has short spades, is trying for slam, and should interpret my bid as having an ace.

[Gpm_bg]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 18 2007, 11:22 AM, said:

I don't think partner's 4H bid should be a slam try, it should be offering 4S or 5D - particularly as I'm pretty much marked with a heart void.  But this is all getting a bit murky so I'll just bid 4S.

(I'm assuming partner's double showed four spades....if it denied 4S this is all going to be very different)

partner can't hold 4th♠, he/she will cuebid 2♥ after your 1♠ bid.

so the both hands are :

Scoring: IMP

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How do you plan to play 6♦with ♣lead?

[the hog]

Partner needs to learn how to bid for a start. Why on earth X if you are going to bid 3NT anyway?

[FrancesHinden]

I don't understand partner's double of 1H.
If it systemically denied 4 spades, you should have said so at the start of the thread.

Otherwise, what was stopping him bidding 3NT last round (which I would not have pulled)?

[Gpm_bg]

Why should DBL always promise 4th♠ in the sequence of 1♦ -> 1♥-> DBL or 4th♥ in 1♦->1♠->DBL ?

what do you will bid with

Scoring: IMP

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DBL, right ?

but with

Scoring: IMP

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pass or 1nt ? or again DBL ?

[FrancesHinden]

What double shows is a matter of partnership agreement. The most common - and definitely 'standard without discussion' agreement is that double promises four spades.

The second most common agreement is that double explicitly denies four spades.

It is not a common agreement to play that double may or may not have four spades.

As for your sample hands, after 1♦ - (1♥) I would bid 2♣ on both of them. I have game forcing values and clubs are my longest suit, so I bid them.

The sequence 1♦ - (1♠) - Dble is commonly played as promising four hearts but very rarely indeed may have only three, however opener bids on assumption partner has at least 4 (e.g. is allowed to jump to game in hearts).

[cherdano]

What Frances said. Double-then-3N shows a 3N bid with 4 spades on the side.

[the hog]

cherdano, on Jan 19 2007, 02:52 AM, said:

What Frances said. Double-then-3N shows a 3N bid with 4 spades on the side.

What Frances said. Double-then-3N shows a 3N bid with 4 spades on the side.

"It ain't necessarily so...." Many players, and a better style anyway imo, is to bid 1S if you have 4+. This means that the X shows minor suits.

Where your pd's auction made no sense whatsoever, is that if he was going to bid 3NT after your response, why X in the first place? Just bid 3NT immediately. The x is both redundant and illogical.

[cherdano]

The_Hog, on Jan 19 2007, 12:29 AM, said:

cherdano, on Jan 19 2007, 02:52 AM, said:

What Frances said. Double-then-3N shows a 3N bid with 4 spades on the side.

What Frances said. Double-then-3N shows a 3N bid with 4 spades on the side.

"It ain't necessarily so...." Many players, and a better style anyway imo, is to bid 1S if you have 4+. This means that the X shows minor suits.

I play that too, but it just ain't standard anywhere I have played.

[mikeh]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 18 2007, 07:48 AM, said:

What double shows is a matter of partnership agreement. The most common - and definitely 'standard without discussion' agreement is that double promises four spades.

The second most common agreement is that double explicitly denies four spades.

It is not a common agreement to play that double may or may not have four spades.

As for your sample hands, after 1♦ - (1♥) I would bid 2♣ on both of them. I have game forcing values and clubs are my longest suit, so I bid them.

The sequence 1♦ - (1♠) - Dble is commonly played as promising four hearts but very rarely indeed may have only three, however opener bids on assumption partner has at least 4 (e.g. is allowed to jump to game in hearts).

Good answer: I agree entirely...

[whereagles]

Didn't anyone suspect that..

1. having a void heart
2. RHO not supporting hearts
3. pard bidding 3NT

pard's double was for PENALTIES, as it actually was?

[000002]

he is an excellent bidder who take a bdl then jump 3nt with:
Txx
AQxxx
AJ
Axx
i like this bidding for a latent slam sense basedon ♥AQ and 16total HCPs.

an MASTER do a great juge on the table.

regards 000002

[the hog]

000002, on Jan 19 2007, 10:03 AM, said:

he is an excellent bidder who take a bdl then jump 3nt with:
Txx
AQxxx
AJ
Axx
i like this bidding for a latent slam sense basedon ♥AQ and 16total HCPs.

an MASTER do a great juge on the table.

regards 000002

As you have 3 Spades to the T, and as your best suit, (H), is likely to be facing a singleton or void, I don't regard this player as much of a "master". A "miss ter", maybe.