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#21 User is offline   Codo 

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Posted 2007-January-11, 07:01

I agree, that 4 Heart had been a better bid with a pick up pd then 4 Diamond, but after Wayne bid 4 Diamond, 4 Heart from his pd was surely wrong.
Roland suggestes a hand like Kxxxx,Kxxxx,x,xx as suitable for a 4 Diamond call.
This hand is impossible from souths point of you, but even the weaker hand
Qxxxx,Kxxxx,x,xx is safe to play in 5 Heart or Spade.
(It only fails with Hearts 4-0 or an early ruff)
So I guess 4 Heart was by far the worst bid, which did the most to miss the slam.
But what are the alternatives?

That brings us back to whereagles position: If I have no way to invite pd, I blast to slam. I think 6 Heart is much better then 4 Heart.
Which other possibilities do I have?
4 NT? Blackwood? Or two places to play?
5 Diamond? Shows surely a strong hand, but does it show Rolands idea of both majors and strong? Maybe it should, but will a pick up pd understand this bid?
I mean, if Pd took my 4 Diamond as strong with both majors, why should he tell me, that he has both majors too- obviously it makes a lot of sense when 4 Diamond showed any two suits, but even then it is not 100% clear?
5 Heart? Does this show the Monster onesuiter, or is it inviting with both majors?

I must admit, I had bid 5 Heart at the table, but the more I think about it, the less I like the bid...
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Posted 2007-January-12, 01:26

What I can say is that South underbid with 4H over North's 4D. I think South's most adequate call is 5D, followed by 5NT.
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Posted 2007-January-12, 13:22

4♥ was obviously the silly bid here. I'd insist on slam with that hand, starting with a 5♦ cue. The hand probably can't pass pard's 6♣ bid though....
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Posted 2007-January-12, 15:15

Hi,

having seen, that several posters have beaten up the
poor 4H bidder, I would add one comment:

Playing with a pick up partner who throws a 4D bid on
me without clear understanding is asking for trouble.
4H tries to keep it simple, and is gives the 4D bidder
a chance to explain, what he did mean as he did bid 4D.

He got an answer, but did he know the question he asked?

In other words, who ever claims that 4D was a better bid
than 4H should ask himelf, which bid leads more often to
an auction with cool misunderstanding, resulting in a cool score.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2007-January-14, 13:28

I'm surprised that nobody realized that the top spot is actually 7♠ which only requiers no worse than 4-2 in the trump suit and no voids in another side suit
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Posted 2007-January-15, 01:44

Walddk, on Jan 10 2007, 11:53 AM, said:

If I have the right singleton with 5-5 for example, I don't need much for 4♦.

Kxxxx
Kxxxx
x
xx

Game has play (and is sometimes even cold) opposite many minimum take-out doubles.

Roland

:) This is a good example hand. The equivalent for this case might be:

Q9xxx
KQxxx
x
xx

Note that slam in either major is a lay down opposite the actual south hand. This says to me that doubler should properly rebid 5♦ with the intention of driving to slam unless something drastic intervenes.
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