[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

(1♣)* - P - (1NT)** - 3♦
(6♣) - P - (7♣) - P
(P) - Dbl - (7NT) - P
(P) - Dbl - All Pass

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*16+ any shape
**9+, 4432 or 4333, 2+ controls

You stick in a 3♦ bid and suddenly the auction is in the stratosphere.

What do you lead?

[whereagles]

Seems like pard has a major suit ace. Opps probably don't have long suits other than clubs, so they'll have from top 7 clubs, 1 diamond and at most 4 in a major suit.

It would appear it doesn't matter which major we lead, but, if opps happen to have 8 running clubs, a heart lead might give away whole suit for 13 tricks when pard had the spade ace all the time.

So I lead a spade.

[FrancesHinden]

I agree that partner must have a major suit ace for the auction to make any sense at all. Which major is a rather harder question!

It's more likely that they have 13 on top if partner has the HA, because then they have 8 clubs, 4 spades and the DA. If partner has the SA it's less likely they have enough tricks... unless I give a 3rd heart trick on the lead, of course.

I'm going to go with that and try a heart, hoping for the (likely) very short heart honours in dummy or the jack with partner. But I expect to be wrong at least 46% of the time...

[Free]

The first double clearly shows a Major Ace. The second double should show lead directing information. It's imps, I don't care for an extra 100 points if a Vulnerable grand slam is at stake! Imo the 2nd double asks for a ♠ lead, pass would mean a ♥.

[FrancesHinden]

That's a cute idea, but I doubt many pairs have discussed this - and if partner is clever enough to think of this on the fly, then he was clever enough to have not doubled 7C and given us this problem in the first place!

[Apollo81]

Pretty much a major suit guess. I guess spades.

[Walddk]

A heart, and whether that is right or wrong I am going to ask her why on earth she doubled 7♣. It's plain stupid.

Roland

[Free]

Walddk, on Jan 10 2007, 02:14 PM, said:

whether that is right or wrong I am going to ask her why on earth she doubled 7♣. It's plain stupid.

Agree

[000002]

let's ponder the reason of 6♣ leap.
1)pass is forcing , and suitable to any 2suiter.
2)5♦ is void , with a solid unknown suit.
3)4♦ is michael for popularity.

so, this 6♣ leap surely is a special hand ,hardly to seek grand in the normal method .i guess the hand as below:
Axxxx
A
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AQJTxxx

consider east 7♣ raising and 9up+balanced restricted,we convince that she has 2Ace and 2king,in this case ,similarly ♦ A/♣K/♥K/♠K.

Why NORTH punish 7♣ and east elude?
The only reasonable causation is on ♣! 8320 on ♣ and north has QJx!

i AGREE someone doubt this DBL,and i will suspicious of the poster's JOKE?

regards 000002

[FrancesHinden]

Well, I agree that if partner is to be fully trusted she has a club trick. That makes both doubles make sense.

But if she has a club trick I really doubt it matters what we lead, so I think it's fair to ignore that possibility and stick to the assumption that partner forgot we were going to be on lead against 7NT when she doubled 7C.

[pclayton]

The 6♣ call is most strange.

I'm not going to read anything into the 4432 / 4333 business.

I can't see any compelling reason to lead a heart here, although its possible they have 13 cashing tricks off the ♥A. Its possible they needed a ruff in 7♣ and they need to find the ♥Q. Hopefully, hearts are 3-3 and I'll be counted out for 3.

[FrancesHinden]

I can't change my vote, but I've changed my mind.

Rather than assume partner was stupid, let's assume partner knows what he is doing. In that case he has a club trick, and I'm leading a diamond.

[Walddk]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 12 2007, 11:31 AM, said:

I can't change my vote, but I've changed my mind.

Rather than assume partner was stupid, let's assume partner knows what he is doing. In that case he has a club trick, and I'm leading a diamond.

Doesn't the headline suggest that partner is stupid? Why else name it "Important lead"? If she has a trump trick, it doesn't matter what you lead. I strongly suspect that she has an ace and that it is not the ace of diamonds.

Which ace then? I don't know, but I will find out regardless. I can hardly wait till Matt presents us with the full hand. I am not sure that partner deserves TLC after that!

Roland

[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

1♣ - P - 1N - 3♦
6♣ - P - 7♣ - P
P - Dbl - All Pass

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Sorry for the delay. My partner and I had a bet on the outcome of the hypothetical poll. At the table I raised to grand which perhaps is too much with the dubious value of the ♦A. I didn't pull to 7NT and our hero south lead a diamond, so that was 1630. However, after the hand I asked what if I had pulled to 7NT, do you think North would have found a heart. Partner said no. I said yes.

[Walddk]

At least I got the lead right. However, it's time to tell South what a !!%*^#!" idiot she is. And then I rest my case because I need some time to find a new partner

Roland

[000002]

Now, i think i'm no word to commentate what this 4players are doing on this table -- but--- crazy .




Joke too
regards 000002

[ulven]

When I saw the lead I thought a heart lead was clear. Why??
Because partner should be played for a major-ace as most think. and unsolicited slam-jumps are always (usually) made with internally solid suits and distribution. Looking a heart Q we "know" that West has spades as sidesuit. Lead a heart as the spade Ace will never get away.

I've applied similar reasoning in other situations as well.

/ulven

[000002]

oh NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IF this dbl can be right as u accept it ;if this 6♣ leap was right too as u accept yet,i can structure another hand that u should lead ♠:

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the only deathful lead is ♠.
:)

regards 000002

[ulven]

That's a BS example. They´re in gameforcing auction and 4C would be forcing and responder wouldn't raise unless 2 aces. If you can't understand/accept my logic explanation, and want to play "games", then go ahead and amuse yourself.

I'm not accepting the double in your terms. I'm playing with someone who's doubled and now it's up to me to solve the situation. Don't whine - reason!

N.B. As one of the few persons here who´s played on Roland's team IRL, maybe my mental capabilities and/or judgement can be questioned... ;-)

[000002]

:):)

IF u NEED 2aces to raise 7♣ , shift ♥ Ace from east's hand to weast:):)in fact , i limited this raising with 2ace 2king which i indicated in the prior post.

what is BS? could u give me a spot (web?)to learn ,thanks.

regards 000002