[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     1NT   Pass  2♥
 Pass  2♠    Pass  3♣
 Pass  4♠    Pass  5♣
 Pass  5♥    Pass  6♥
 Pass  6♠    Pass  Pass
 Pass  


Hi I was playing with GIB's and I had a dilema here

after the transfer what are my best options or what is the correct bid suit or a void show, what do you think of the way I progressed over the 4 spade bid, I thought 4NT was bad and I am not 100% sure what I did was good bad or indifferent

how would you bid this in sayc or 2/1 and how would you have bid it with GIB

TY

[csdenmark]

sceptic, on Dec 29 2006, 11:48 AM, said:

Dealer: North Vul: None Scoring: IMP

♠ JT2 ♥ A2 ♦ KQT ♣ AJ763 ♠ 5 ♥ QT53 ♦ J98765 ♣ 92 ♠ K984 ♥ J84 ♦ A432 ♣ T5 ♠ AQ763 ♥ K976 ♦   ♣ KQ84

West  North East  South

 -     1NT   Pass  2♥
 Pass  2♠    Pass  3♣
 Pass  4♠    Pass  5♣
 Pass  5♥    Pass  6♥
 Pass  6♠    Pass  Pass
 Pass  

I dont play standard systems. Those systems I play a transfer response will be a weak signal. I would therefore start with Stayman continuing with Smolen after 2♦ response.

In your example I would cue ♦ instead of ♣

[cherdano]

This hand is impossible to bid exactly in standard, and your choice wasn't so bad. I am not in love with 5♣, I might just bid 6♠ (although I am a little afraid GIB might raise me to 7 then).

I would start with Stayman as Claus is suggesting; if partner signs off in 3N over your Smolen bid, I would try 4♣ suggesting this exact shape.

[jikl]

Claus,

If you are going to reply in this forum, perhaps think about which it is instead of a completely useless post not addressing the subject at all.

And please get rid of that signature.

Sean

[Gpm_bg]

I would bid 2♣ after 1NT not directly transfer, but i assume that the GIB bid 2♥, not you.
Becouse with 2♣, and after 2♦ respond for no major or if you played puppet and 2nt ( same ) you have another options: 3♣ which could be slam invite with 4+♣ and 4+ or 5+ major and very strong hand.
Imo first stayman then major should to be also slam invite from the GIB. But bids of the GIB was poorly and darkshoot that you hit the slam at all.
If you want to express strong hand after this major transfer i think that 3♣ should to show 5th♣ (not longer) and 3 cards in spades, invitational bid for next examination.
And 2nt if you hold 3 cards in spades and non 5th suit in minors.
You have 3♠jump after 2♥ which will show 4th♠ so other bid will be just distribution in spades and at all.

So my suggestion on open cards ofcourse, becouse as i told i will not follow the GIB 2♥ will be :
oneside bids 1NT - 2♥ ; 3♣ - 3♥ ; 4♦ - 4♥ ; 4NT -> followed by RKCB in spades 5♦; 5NT (kings ) - 6♣ (2K+trump queen)
you may calm bid 6♠ awared by 1A + trump K

[hrothgar]

Slam oriented 5440 hands present a lot of problems responding to a 1NT opening, so much so that a number of bidding systems use some kind of splinter responses.

Assuming that you don't have this type of agreement, your next question is whether you're going to start with a Jacoby transfer or whether you prefer to use Stayman.

If you're part of the Stayman school, you're planning one of two different auctions

1. If partner responds 2M, you plan to make a splinter response on the second round
2. If partner responds 2♦, you're probably going to be stuck using Smolen and jumping to to 3♥ to show 5+ Spades and 4♥

If you prefer to start with a Jacoby transfer your auction will start

1N - 2♥
2♠ - 3♣

Just as you did. The big problem is that GIB blasted to 4♠ with the wrong hand.
3♣ establishes an absolute game force. (Many people use this bid as a slam probe). Once you bid 3♣, GIB should know that you have a double fit and ♠ + ♣. GIB's JTx of Spades become VERY nice filler cards.

Personally, I think that GIB should rebid 3♠ to set trump and allow a reasonable slam exploration.

[hrothgar]

jikl, on Dec 29 2006, 03:00 PM, said:

Claus,

If you are going to reply in this forum, perhaps think about which it is instead of a completely useless post not addressing the subject at all.

And please get rid of that signature.

Sean

The large graphic that Claus is using as a sign file is an image hosted by Bridgefiles.net

http://bridgefiles.net/Picture/cs4.jpg

If you configure your browser to block images from this location you won't get bothered by it any more. Using Mozilla you can rightclick on the image.

Not sure how to do this in IE...

[kenrexford]

Asking how to bid this with a GIB is difficult. I suppose the selected auction is as good as anything, but with an unfortunate results.

With a rational human and decent tools, a Smolen auction is as good as anything. Partner will next bid 3♠, or possibly 4♠ because of what he views as poor values. The latter works well, as it essentially eliminates real prospects at the grand. Then, you simply pattern out (to be practical) with a 6♣ call.

You know that GIB is hopeless on this hand because you rebid a four-card club suit and still ended up in 6♠ instead of 6♣. Thus, to get to 6♣ on this hand, your apparent only hope is to simply bid 6♣ after 1NT.

[ArcLight]

>The large graphic that Claus is using as a sign file is an image hosted by Bridgefiles.net

>If you configure your browser to block images from this location you won't get bothered by it any more. Using Mozilla you can rightclick on the image.

>Not sure how to do this in IE...


Richard, if you can tell me how to block this in IE I'll be your best friend!

[inquiry]

ArcLight, on Dec 29 2006, 09:12 AM, said:

>The large graphic that Claus is using as a sign file is an image hosted by Bridgefiles.net

>If you configure your browser to block images from this location you won't get bothered by it any more. Using Mozilla you can rightclick on the image.

>Not sure how to do this in IE...


Richard, if you can tell me how to block this in IE I'll be your best friend!

In theory this will work, I have not tried it yet.

1. Click on menu option tools
2. Click on internet options
3. Clicn on the "content tab"
4. Under the top cluster (entitled Content advisor), click enable
5. Click the "approved sites" tab (you are actually going to pick one to block, I guess this is like pressing the start button to turn your computer off..doesn't make sense, but there you go.
6. type in the url you want to block (bridgefiles.net)
7. Choose the "never" button
8. Apply.

In theory, you will not be able to show content from that site after that. I have not tried this, I would attempt it but on this comptuer I don't have administrative access to implement such changes.

[inquiry]

Another way is to edit your host file found in

Windows 95/98/Me c:\windows\hosts

Windows NT/2000/XP Pro c:\winnt\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

Windows XP Home c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

In that file, add a line that says something like the one between the following two lines

------------------------------------------------------
127.0.0.1 bridgefiles.net
------------------------------------------------------

In theory, when your computer gets the command to go to bridgefiles.net, it will use the IP address 127.0.0.1 instead of the IP address found for that website on the internets DNS servers. 127.0.0.1 is your local computer, so it will not find the site in question. Haven't tried this yet either.

[sceptic]

I bid 2 heart to transfer to spades, for the simple reason, I do not trust myself to do the right thing after 2 diamond response and smollen, the diamond void put me off as the viod is useless against GIB having AKQ D a long shot I suppose but that was my thinking

[Wackojack]

[1eyedjack]

ArcLight, on Dec 29 2006, 03:12 PM, said:

>The large graphic that Claus is using as a sign file is an image hosted by Bridgefiles.net

>If you configure your browser to block images from this location you won't get bothered by it any more. Using Mozilla you can rightclick on the image.

>Not sure how to do this in IE...


Richard, if you can tell me how to block this in IE I'll be your best friend!

The solution that I found works for me is to block the domain at the router. That requires you to be using a router, of course, but I throw it in because it seems to work and a lot of us have domestic wireless setups these days. If you log on to the router with admin rights it will always allow you to list domains to be blocked. I put a lot of advertising stuff in there.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

first of all, I would suggest to start
with Stayman when holding 5-4 in
the mayors.

The start with 2H made it nearly
impossible to find a 4-4 fit in hearts.
This does not answer your question, it
is just a general remark.

Having choosen 2H, 3C is ok, as long as it
is gameforcing.
I can understand 4S as well, the NT
opener has wasted values in diamonds
and a min NT opener, ... which gets
counterbalanced by the double fit.

If you dont want to give up, which would be
reasonable, since the NT opener did not break the
transfer and 4S was not forward going,
and if you dont want to bid 4NT (playing with GIB,
4NT is most of the time better than cue bidding):
I think a 5 level cue bid, should show a first
round control, i.e. 5C is out.
Over 5D, the NT opener can show the Ace of hearts
with 5H, if you sign of in 5S, the NT opener may or
may not bid 6S, I would pass, since KQx opposite
a void is nothing to cheer about.
But you can also bid 6S, knowing, that most of the
time it should be better than 50%.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

sceptic, on Dec 29 2006, 10:38 AM, said:

I bid 2 heart to transfer to spades, for the simple reason, I do not trust myself to do the right thing after 2 diamond response and smollen, the diamond void put me off as the viod is useless against GIB having AKQ D  a long shot I suppose but that was my thinking

Hi,

you dont need to play Smolen, to show
5-4. Over 2D simply jump to your 5 card
mayor, ... if playing Smolen, you jump
to your 4 card mayor.

Smolen is just a way to right side the
contract, nothing more, nothing less.

Starting with Stayman on hands with 5-4
in the mayors allows you to show 5-5 via
transfer to one mayor followed by bidding
the other mayor.

transfer to hearts, followed by 2S, shows
5-5 with in. values.
transfer to spades, followed by 3H, shows
5-5 with game forcing values.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Your job should never be worrying over possible
holdings in your partners hand, simply describe your hand,
AKQx in diamonds will put your partner of, if you show
a shortage in diamonds, ... and so does KQx.

[whereagles]

How about this:

1NT 2♥
2♠ 3♥ (nat)
3NT 4♣ (nat)
5♣ 6♣

Bridge can be so easy

[1eyedjack]

whereagles, on Dec 30 2006, 03:39 PM, said:

How about this:

1NT 2♥
2♠ 3♥ (nat)
3NT 4♣ (nat)
5♣ 6♣

Bridge can be so easy

I sympathise with this sequence. Bear in mind that we are talking about a beginner/intermediate partnership that does not have a convoluted method of showing 5440 GF hands (else the topic would not have arisen or would not have arisen here).

I find that with a really basic set of responses to 1N, the uncontested sequence
1N-2♣
2♦-3M
tends to be regarded as invitational, non-forcing, with 5+ cards in the bid major and 4 cards in the other major.

That being the case, Stayman is out of the question on this hand that is clearly GF and cannot risk 3M being passed, so being unprepared for a 2♦ response to Stayman.

Using those methods, you would transfer and bid a new suit in a forcing context. While I appreciate that the Club suit is marginally stronger than Hearts, and the 3♣ bid is cheaper than 3♥, I can envisage the possibility of missing a ♥ fit if I start with transfer to ♠ followed by 3♣, if partner were to suppress his 4 card ♥ suit. So my natural inclination would be to rebid 3♥. Missing a major suit fit tends to be a no-no, and if I am committed to bidding all 3 suits then the more cost effective sequence in consumption of bidding space is to show the ♥ before ♣.

Incidentally, for those of you who play Smolen, how do you show an invitational hand with 5-4 or 6-4 in the majors? If you transfer then bid the major, does that not risk wrong-siding the contract in the secondary major, which is the principal reason for Smolening on the GF hands? There is probably an obvious answer, but I don't tend to play Smolen