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There is a mild disclosure issue here, perhaps. If a 2♠ rebid in this auction is deemed not forcing that probably should be alertable given the poll results and the definitions of standard systems. Of course we can say "sometimes I tactically pass forcing bids and that doesn't make them not forcing" but Justin's indicated in other threads that he routinely responds with 0-3 hcp on a number of hand patterns, and that he would consistently pass the jump shift with many such hands... so doesn't that make the 2♠ rebid non-forcing?
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Posted 2006-December-21, 09:44
Adam W. Meyerson
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Posted 2006-December-21, 10:02
awm, on Dec 21 2006, 10:44 AM, said:
There is a mild disclosure issue here, perhaps. If a 2♠ rebid in this auction is deemed not forcing that probably should be alertable given the poll results and the definitions of standard systems. Of course we can say "sometimes I tactically pass forcing bids and that doesn't make them not forcing" but Justin's indicated in other threads that he routinely responds with 0-3 hcp on a number of hand patterns, and that he would consistently pass the jump shift with many such hands... so doesn't that make the 2♠ rebid non-forcing?
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As far as I know bids are not defined by forcing or NFing, they are defined by what they mean. Whether they're forcing or NFing is defined by what they mean. 2S to me means the same thing as it means to everyone else. It is not a different bid. I would expect partner to open 1D and bid 2S with AKQxx x AKxxxx x. I would expect partner to open 1D and rebid 2S with AKx KQx AKxxxx x. This is just bridge. Are you really arguing that a bid that means the same thing as all other standard players should be alerted? Come on. It is bridge that some forcing bids can be passed. It is bridge that some sign offs can be raised. These are not alerts, they are bridge. If a bid has a strange meaning it should be alerted. That is not the case here.
As far as frequency, if 1 % of my responses after this auction have been made on the "0-3" variety, and I pass the jumpshift on 15 % of those, how often is this even relevant?
And what will give you a better idea of what I have if I DO pass 2S? If I alert it as non forcing and then pass? Or if I say it is forcing and pass. I imagine that the first would be VERY misleading, and in the second case you will know exactly what is happening.
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Posted 2006-December-22, 17:41
The theory here is based on the principle of economy. The jump shift uses up a level of bidding, but for the purpose of creating bidding space for further investigation. Almost always, a third suit J/S indicates that the eventual strain is in doubt so finding it becomes the first priority.