[mike777]

Good grief Charlie Brown!

I had not one but 2 disasters last night from (3clubs x) auctions. These may very well belong in the novice section but I put too much stuff in there already. .

Assume you have a stiff club in both mp auctions.

1:
1H=(2c)=X=(3c)
P==P==X==P
?

What does pard's x show?
On this one you got a junky opener.

2:

1s=p=p=(2c)
2d=(3c)=p=p
x=(xx)=p=p
??

What does Pard's p over (xx) show?
On this one you got 18 hcp.

[Codo]

On the first hand pd still has a take out X but a stronger hand. I don´t believe, that there is more info then this in his double. So I will bid on giving him some 4252 shape or so.

On hand two I showed a strong hand with 5 spades 4 Diamonds at least 3 good hearts and no clubs. Do I have this? Yes? Did pd choose a suit? Yes, he choose to play in CLubs. So I will accept his descission, as I had showed him my hand.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

1) The first X was neg., i.e. it did show
the other suits.
The 2nd X is a lot less clear, in my
opinion it simply shows a hand willing
to compete further, an "optional".
Partner knows, that I will quite often
Pass, but he knows also, that I my bid
a suit.
Holding a Singleton I will bid most of the
time, unless I have a good opener +15HCP,
and even than bidding is a lot safer.

2) I have described my hand, partner knows about
my shape and my strength, he passed.
Why did he pass? He thought it best, whatever that
means, he may be dead and hoping, that we beat it ...
Since I told my story, I pass.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Apollo81]

mike777, on Nov 10 2006, 10:51 AM, said:

Good grief Charlie Brown!

I had not one but 2 disasters last night from (3clubs x) auctions. These may very well belong in the novice section but I put too much stuff in there already. .

Assume you have a stiff club in both mp auctions.

1:
1H=(2c)=X=(3c)
P==P==X==P
?

What does pard's x show?
On this one you got a junky opener.

2:

1s=p=p=(2c)
2d=(3c)=p=p
x=(xx)=p=p
??

What does Pard's p over (xx) show?
On this one you got 18 hcp.

First one is a "cards" double. With a min and stiff club it seems like you should bid.

Second one is a penalty pass. Partner wants to defend. I don't think there will be much/any disagreement about this.

[bid_em_up]

In the second one, partners pass is clear penalty. Partner has heard you bid spades, and diamonds and with the X, you said you are strong and also have heart tolerance.

If partner had any preference whatsoever, he would/should show it over the XX. Since he failed to bid here, he must be content defending 3C xx'd.

I think the first one is less clear than others have suggested. I disagree with Justin that it cannot be penalty, since partner could very well be 4-1-4-4 and still make a neg X, nor do I think he can hold a 5 card suit as Codo suggested (he should bid the 5 card suit, if he has one). A more likely scenario is he is 4-2-4-3 with extra's. I would be inclined to leave the X in, since we have no more than a 7 card fit in any suit and the balance of power (supposedly).

[bid_em_up]

Jlall, on Nov 10 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

bid_em_up, on Nov 10 2006, 12:08 PM, said:

A more likely scenario is he is 4-2-4-3 with extra's.  I would be inclined to leave the X in, since we have no more than a 7 card fit in any suit and the balance of power (supposedly).

huh? When they have a 9 card fit we always have at least an 8 card fit somewhere. If you think partner has 4243 and we have a stiff club that gives them a 9 card fit.

I wont argue semantics Justin.

Assuming Mikes hand is, 5 hearts and 1 club, he should have a 4 card suit and should bid it over the 2nd X and there is no problem, imo. Therefore I suspect Mike's hand is 3-6-3-1.

Nothing here says they have a 9 card fit.

If he is 3-6-3-1, and partner is 4-1-4-4, then we do not have more than a seven card fit anywhere. (Note, he did not say whether or not he has 6 hearts).

Now if partner is 4-2-4-3, yes we have an 8 card fit opposite 3-6-3-1 but I still would be inclined to defend and lead trump at every opportunity.