[flytoox]

Both Vul, Dealer: South.

Holding:
S: KQX
H: KQTXXX
D: KQX
C: X


W N E S
1H
P 1S - ?

Note: you dont play flannery, so 1S promise only 4+ card.

[luke warm]

raising spades can work, but i don't think much is needed from pard for a heart game to be on.. 3H, i think, mainly because 2S lies about the strength and 3S about the support

[flytoox]

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raising spades can work, but i don't think much is needed from pard for a heart game to be on.. 3H, i think, mainly because 2S lies about the strength and 3S about the support

Yes, 2S underbid, 3S overbid. This is the problem.

[Free]

3H, promissing 6+H AND 3 card S. without S fit, bid 3NT... That's the way I play it ;D

[mishovnbg]

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3H, promissing 6+H AND 3 card S. without S fit, bid 3NT... That's the way I play it ;D

I also like this way and propose it to Ben. I think it is in R/S style of fit jumps. The problem is you must play then some bid(bids) as round forcing/relay(new minor) to menage 1 suited strong hand without 3 fit. If you agree, as continuation of this style of bidding the raise of 3 must be distributional(not strong) and 2NT must be limit+ raise with strenght and 3NT to play with solid suit, because you have already other bid for strong hands without fit.
Misho

[inquiry]

Both Vul, Dealer: South.

Holding:
S: KQX
H: KQTXXX
D: KQX
C: X

You have a very good hand.

Already discussed is the possible use of 1H-1S-3H as a “fit jump”, a system I play with some partners after 1m-1M or 1h-1S beginning. However, this is a radical solution that doesn’t fit well for most people/system and requires further modification of your bidding system as mentioned by Misho. Perhaps is best is if you are playing a style where a new suit by opener is forcing. If so, you would bid 2 Diamonds, looking of a 2H, 2S, 2NT or 3D bid from partner. If he bids 2H (weak and maybe 2 card support), you would bid 3H showing this hand or if you are feeling lucky, 4H. If partner bids 2S, promising at least 5S and again weakish, now you will bid 3S as strong game try with emphasis on short clubs. Before you pooh-pooh the 2D response, if your partner had bid a forcing 1NT, many of you would have bid 2D with this hand over that call. This new suit by opener as forcing is a style misho has instructed me on, and I am beginning to like it more and more.

Sadly, you probably don’t have 2D as a 1 round force, so instead of seeking information from partner with a temporizing 2D call, you will have to take the bull by the horns and decide what is the best percentage call. Since you are vul at imps, you don’t want to miss close games. So you might think the best strategy is to jump to 3H or 3S. But I don’t believe this is the case. Let’s evaluate that strategy, but it really depends upon your partnership agreement, do you invite light and accept normal or do you give normal invites and accept light at this vul? My rule is light accepts, but, this light accepts has that has significance after bids at two level. Let’s see what I mean
 1H - 1S
 2H – 4S this 4S bid, when vul is made lighter than when not vul. This has an effect on the subsequent auction then,

 1H – 1S
 2S – 3S is thus “lighter” than a normal 3S bid. Why? Because with the better normal 3S bids, North would have bid 4S.

So what does this mean for me? If I don’t have 2D forcing available, I would bid 2S vul expecting partner to take a bid again on most hands where we make game in light of the vul. Not vul, I will rebid 3H as 2S and 2H are too big an underbid there as partner will not be so willing to push to game.

Ben

[mjmassi]

I would bid 2D even if it is not forcing, with some suggestion of extra values (or 5-5) since I try to bid 1NT on a minimum 1=5=4=3 or 2=5=4=2. Partner will take a preference to 2H most of the time, and now I can continue with 2S or 3H. If partner passes out 2D I will rarely have a game and might be doing well to stay low.

Mike M.

[Trpltrbl]

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Both Vul, Dealer: South.

Holding:
S: KQX
H: KQTXXX
D: KQX
C: X


W N E S
1H
P 1S - ?

Note: you dont play flannery, so 1S promise only 4+ card.

2 H, my pd will bid again if there is a bid and who knows maybe opps need to balance hehe. Let pd know y have that 6 card suit, if I am going to lie I will bid 3 H but not without any aces. That's all Folks

Mike ;D

[irg20]

Put me down for 2D

Ian

[Trpltrbl]

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Put me down for 2D

Ian

What is pd going to do with Axxx Jx Jxxx xxx ?

Mike ;D

[irg20]

Bid 2H.

In these positions partner should be aware the I could have upto around 18 HCP and so when he thinks game might be on opposite a maximum he should bid 2H with 2 card support in preference to a superficially attractive pass of 2D.

With the example hand you give whatever we do we are unlikely to be getting to game in any case. That's life.

[EarlPurple]

You can make a time-passing bid of 2D.

I like to play that 2NT shows this sort of hand in this auction. With a strong balanced hand you would then rebid a suit first and then bid NT later.

[everton]

It's a good hand but aceless, so i choose the underbid, but 2S as the bid most likely to encourage partner. Isn't 2D non-forcing?

[Trpltrbl]

everton, on Jan 12 2004, 06:44 PM, said:

It's a good hand but aceless, so i choose the underbid, but 2S as the bid most likely to encourage partner. Isn't 2D non-forcing?

Yes, 2 is NONforcing. But somehow people seems to think that pd with 2's and 4+ 's is going to correct to 2. Unless people play it as some sort of asking/ waiting/relay bid and then it has to be alerted for sure.

Mike

[Chamaco]

irg20, on Dec 29 2003, 04:39 AM, said:

Bid 2H.

Certainly not in any standard 5-card major system I know (French, SAYC, 2/1, Italian).

Opener has not promised any extra AND has shown 5 hearts and 4 diamonds.
At MP responder may stretch for a major partscore in a 5-2 fit, but at IMPS it is more logical to seek the safest partscore in 4-4 fit, passing.

Altering the standard meaning of this sequence by requiring responder to bid 2H even holding 4 diamonds may make sense in some situations, like this one, but is certainly NOT standard and should be therefore agreed with pard beforehand, and alerted to opps.

[irg20]

As far as bidding 2H when a 'better' diamond fit might be available is concerned I reiterate.

Opener could have up to around 18 HCP and so responder should try to let him complete his hand description if he feels there is any chance of game (remembering that with a good hand opener might still have 3 card support for partner's major). Pass from responder is the least ideal call as far as prolonging the auction is concerned.

Opener might also possess good 6-4 hands (with bad 6-4 rebidding the major is probably better).

Conclusion: 2H is flexible; Pass isn't.

Though this style is described by Bird & Bourke in 'Tournament Acol' I do not see how other standard systems differ in what opener and responder has shown from his opening and rebid.

Ian

[the hog]

"You can make a time-passing bid of 2D."

You will certainly be passing a lot of time when your partner leaves the table after you are playing 2D with this hand.

[Trpltrbl]

The_Hog, on Jan 13 2004, 05:55 PM, said:

"You can make a time-passing bid of 2D."

You will certainly be passing a lot of time when your partner leaves the table after you are playing 2D with this hand.

ROFL

Mike