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#1 User is offline   hatchett 

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Posted 2006-September-15, 14:17

My friend from England sent me this hand from the Evening Standard last week.

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You bid to 6♣ (uncontested) by south. The lead is the J♠ ducked. The ♠10 is continued which you ruff. The author suggests rather than drawing all the trumps and hoping ♥s play for four tricks, you should draw two rounds of trumps (all follow) and then play on the heart suit gaining when a hand with Jxxx♥ has only 2♣s. Can you find a better line than the author?

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Posted 2006-September-15, 14:28

hatchett, on Sep 15 2006, 11:17 PM, said:

You bid to 6♣ (uncontested) by south. The lead is the J♠ ducked. The ♠10 is continued which you ruff. The author suggests rather than drawing all the trumps and hoping ♥s play for four tricks, you should draw two rounds of trumps (all follow) and then play on the heart suit gaining when a hand with Jxxx♥ has only 2♣s.  Can you find a better line than the author?

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Posted 2006-September-15, 17:07

Hey, this is really interesting, I think the author has the right play in the wrong situation:

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Posted 2006-September-15, 17:45

I must be overlooking something - I don't see how the hearts will produce 4 tricks over 70% of the time.

You make 4 hearts on all:
5-1 splits with a stiff jack (2.5%?)
4-2 splits with jack in the 2 card hand (1/3 of 48% = 16%)

Whats left is 3-3 (36%) vs 2-4 with RHO having 4 (half of 48% = 24%)

Play for the drop at that point

36+16+3 = 55%?



Or is the way to look at it the ratio between 36 and 24 3:2 = 60%

19% chance of making 4 after 2 cards, + (1 - .19 = 81% * 60%) = 48%

48 + 19 = 67%
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Posted 2006-September-15, 17:59

ArcLight, on Sep 16 2006, 02:45 AM, said:

I must be overlooking something - I don't see how the hearts will produce 4 tricks over 70% of the time.

You overlooked the obvious, which is that I made a severe typo in my script... (had a "club" where a "heart" should be...

The new improved version came up with a 54% chance that the Hearts produce 4 tricks.

David's line looks better than the simple DR that I originally suggested

predeal

north SQ432, HA75, DKQ6, CAT8
south S8, HKQT2, DA73, CKQJ76

jackdrops =

hearts(east) == 3

or

(
hascard(east, JH) and
hearts(east) <=2
)

or

(
hascard(west, JH) and
hearts(west) <= 2
)

dummy_reversal =

clubs(east) == 2 or
clubs(east) ==3

action

average "jackdrops" jackdrops,
average "DR" dummy_reversal
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Posted 2006-September-15, 20:24

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Posted 2006-September-16, 03:09

I agree with everyone else about what to do if all follow to two trumps ending on table. What is interesting is what if trumps are 4-1.

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Posted 2006-September-17, 16:06

Just some comments to add:
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Posted 2006-September-18, 10:29

The best line is the one that wins the opening lead!! (ok, its a joke!!)
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
So many experts, not enough X cards.
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Posted 2006-September-18, 10:36

This beginner/intermediate section is getting some expert stuff lately :)
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