[adhoc3]

IMP, NV

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pass-----pass-----1♦----2♠
3♣

Do you agree 3♣? or you will apply negative double?

BTW, using any system you like, will you open this hand?

Thanks,

Jack

[mike777]

ya easy opener in my style of 2/1, I could have less.
Open with 5clubs....I like to just bid game with these 7-4 hands.

[pbleighton]

I would double rather than bid 3C, but it is very close.

I agree with Mike that this is a 5C opener, although at unfavorable it feels a bit "adventurous"

Peter

[inquiry]

This is an interesting problem.

1) As a passed hand, I would play 3♣ as a fit non-jump showing clubs and diamond support. Since I lack diamond support 3♣ is not an option.

2) Actually, I would open the hand 1♣ instead of passing.

3) If I played 3♣ as clubs and not promising diamonds, I would bid 3♣ rather than make a negative double. With a void, it is possible that partner might make a penatly pass, and if so, i would reallly really like to have a spade.

4) If I was an unpassed hand, i would bid 3♣ forcing. Since I can't have this good a hand and be a passed hand i would be forced to double since 3♣ would show diamond support (another reason to open light).

[Mr. Dodgy]

1♣ opener for me

[SoTired]

3 or 4c opener depending on vul.... never open this one 1c

7-4 is not playing in 44 fit.... so no chance for a neg dbl... 3c looks fine.

[the hog]

I agree with all of Ben's comments.

[awm]

I agree with both the initial pass and the 3♣ call over 2♠. I think playing 3♣ here as showing a diamond fit is taking things too far -- what do you do with a "weak two in clubs" type hand, or are all such mandatory 3♣ openings?

I don't think this is a good one-level opening; sure you will do okay if partner produces a club fit but you're headed for disaster when partner forces game on some 5341 13-count. At vulnerable I'd probably open 3♣, but this hand is really too good for a NV three-level preempt but yet I don't want to bypass 3NT.

[whereagles]

awm, on Sep 10 2006, 05:48 AM, said:

what do you do with a "weak two in clubs" type hand, openings?

open a weak 2♣, what else?

[zasanya]

inquiry, on Sep 9 2006, 09:26 PM, said:

2) Actually, I would open the hand 1♣ instead of passing.

What are your criteria for opening 1of a suit?

[inquiry]

zasanya, on Sep 10 2006, 06:07 AM, said:

inquiry, on Sep 9 2006, 09:26 PM, said:

2) Actually, I would open the hand 1♣ instead of passing.

What are your criteria for opening 1of a suit?

Roughly 26 ZAR points. A zar point is one for each hcp. One for each control, two for each card in your longest suit, and one for each card your second suit is longer than your shortest suit.

this hand has 9 hcp... that is 9 zar points
this hand has 3 controls... that is 3 more zar points
This hand had 7 clubs, that is 14 more zar points
And this hand has 4 hearts and 0 spades, that is 4 more zar points

Add them up, 30 zar points. While I don't open all ZAR 26 point hands (or preempt on some of them), 30 is just too good to pass.

[adhoc3]

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Roughly 26 ZAR points. A zar point is one for each hcp. One for each control, two for each card in your longest suit, and one for each card your second suit is longer than your shortest suit.

this hand has 9 hcp... that is 9 zar points
this hand has 3 controls... that is 3 more zar points
This hand had 7 clubs, that is 14 more zar points
And this hand has 4 hearts and 0 spades, that is 4 more zar points

Add them up, 30 zar points. While I don't open all ZAR 26 point hands (or preempt on some of them), 30 is just too good to pass.

Thanks for your 1 minute ZAR tutor

It was a strong hand. But I was playing precision with a new pard. I wonder if ZAR can be applied for 2♣?

[mikestar]

adhoc3, on Sep 11 2006, 04:55 AM, said:

It was a strong hand. But I was playing precision with a new pard. I wonder if ZAR can be applied for 2♣?

Sure. Here's how. Create several hands that seem like a dead minimum 2♣ to your partnership. Calculate the Zar points and this will give you an idea what your minumum will be. I am quite certain it will be less than 30 zars. If your Precison opening major bids have a 24-25 Zar minimum (not untypical as most Precisionistas open light enough that the "opening bid+opening bid=game" equation is not assumed), 27-28 Zars for 2♣ seem reasonable.