[mike777]

Scoring: MP

P=(1H)=2C=P
2S=(3D)=?

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Your bid and more importantly why?

[Free]

Woops misread the auction... I double, takeout oriented, tollerance for partner's suit.

[mikeh]

Given that this is a B/I thread, I have hidden my answer.

Spoiler

Pass seems clear. I have no reason to think that the opps cannot make 3♦... double would be a strong desire to defend: all the suits are in play in the auction, so double as takeout makes no sense. Some very good pairs play that a double in competitive auctions merely shows extras in the context of the bidding so far, but my understanding (and use) of this device depends upon a fit having been established, so that we have a landing spot. It may well be, and probably is, that partner has ♣ support along with a decent 5 card ♠ suit... but so what? And, absent an express agreement to the contrary, why can't he have long but very weak ♠ and tolerance for ♣ rather than genuine support?

I have no reason to consider this hand as possessing significant extras... I overcalled a relatively short, not overwhelmingly strong 5 card suit... I agree with the 2♣ bid, but this sure is not an especially powerful hand for it, and I have only 2♠s.

More importantly, given that I have the hand I held, why am I getting in front of partner? When you have conveyed a reasonably good picture of your hand, why make an uninvited call? As I say, I have no real defence, hence no double, and no extra offence, hence no bid.

[FrancesHinden]

What mikeh said. The one sentence summary: I have bid my hand already.

[whereagles]

If 2♠ is constructive pard will have like 9-10 hcp. In that case, and since this is matchpoints, I have to double. I do not think I've bid my hand because a 2-level overcall doesn't show the world. I consider this particular hand to have extras.

If you have no clue as to pard's standards for a 2♠ bid in this position, pass, since you don't know whether he is trying to improve the contract or showing a genuinely good hand.

[mike777]

I held this hand late last night. This was the auction at almost every table in the tourney including ours. Needless to say I got a poor result with my choice here. Since many choose an option I did not, I am interested to see how the forum members bid and their thought process.

I note no one has mentioned LOTT or FTL "fought the law" so far.....

[david_c]

Not that it makes any difference to my call, but does anyone else think that 2♠ should be a fit bid here?

[whereagles]

A fit bid would be stretching it a bit.. you need to be able to show a good passed hand with spades.

[mike777]

Whatever 2s should be, since almost every table bid it, I think it can be called a reasonable bid. I would not post a hand where partner is making some wacky extreme bids and now we have to make a bid assuming she was sane

[inquiry]

mike777, on Sep 7 2006, 12:19 PM, said:

Whatever 2s should be, since almost every table bid it, I think it can be called a reasonable bid. I would not post a hand where partner is making some wacky extreme bids and now we have to make a bid assuming she was sane

Are you sure they bid 3♠ as south? Could North have opened 2♠ (perhaps on a five card suit), or rebid 3♠ himself? I mean, could you check the auction at all the other tables to find it almost uniformaly went P-(1H)-2C-(P)-2S-(2D)-3S? Three spades seems too much to me, an too most others too.

[pbleighton]

Pass. As was said, I have bid my hand.

Peter

[bid_em_up]

whereagles, on Sep 7 2006, 11:55 AM, said:

If 2♠ is constructive pard will have like 9-10 hcp. In that case, and since this is matchpoints, I have to double. I do not think I've bid my hand because a 2-level overcall doesn't show the world. I consider this particular hand to have extras.

Extras?

Aye yai yai.

[P_Marlowe]

I looked at the hand, though Pass, wtp?
But scrolled down to see if I missed something,
obvious, I am glad I did not.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

bid_em_up, on Sep 8 2006, 03:59 PM, said:

whereagles, on Sep 7 2006, 11:55 AM, said:

If 2♠ is constructive pard will have like 9-10 hcp. In that case, and since this is matchpoints, I have to double. I do not think I've bid my hand because a 2-level overcall doesn't show the world. I consider this particular hand to have extras.

Extras?

Aye yai yai.

Well, in the same way a 1x opening has 3 levels of strength,

11-14: min
15-17: med
18-20: max

an overcall can also be assigned 3 levels, e.g.

8-11: min
12-14: med
15-17: max

That's what I meant by "extras": overcaller is in level 2 of his overcall.

[ewj]

Pass seems fairly obvious. I don't see why you can say that you have "extras" for your 2 level overcall. I would consider this a pretty minimum overcall on a 5 card suit at the 2 level!

[keylime]

Ditto Mike's call to a tee.

[jdeegan]

An easy pass, imo. I have a typical overcall and no spade fit.