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#1 User is offline   nickf 

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Posted 2006-September-03, 18:42

Scoring: IMPed Swiss Pairs


LHO deals and opens 2S (4+S, 4+D, weak). We have an agreement that over these openings we can bid either of their suits naturally. Actually, the extent of the agreement covered direct overcalls, not advances.

Partner overcalls 3H, RHO doubles for penalties.

Your call.

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Posted 2006-September-03, 18:53

4C. I am tempted to say wtp, but it seems that there is always a p :P

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Posted 2006-September-03, 19:01

pbleighton, on Sep 4 2006, 02:53 AM, said:

4C. I am tempted to say wtp, but it seems that there is always a p :P

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The problem might be AP, +170 B)

Quite a guess, but I would bid 5♣.

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Posted 2006-September-03, 19:31

"The problem might be AP, +170"

Could be, but you have 5 losers, are void in p's suit, and righty has a good hand. 5C seems like a stretch, and it is matchpoints after all.

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Posted 2006-September-03, 19:53

The event was actually IMPs not matchpoints.
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Posted 2006-September-03, 20:24

"The event was actually IMPs not matchpoints."

Ah, I saw Pairs and assumed... my bad.

Still 4C for me, and I'll be happy to make it.

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Posted 2006-September-04, 01:32

5♣ for me, and hope partner has just a few useful cards...
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Posted 2006-September-04, 02:28

Here is something to ponder:

- LHO has a weak opening with ♠ and ♦ and even though he's non-vul in first seat, you can probably count on a few points in those suits in his hand.

- RHO has a penalty double of 3♥ so presumably has some values in that suit.

- Partner has overcalled at the 3-level, but looks like he probably doesn't have much of his values in ♥ so where has partner pulled this 3♥ bid from?
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Posted 2006-September-04, 02:29

Given my pd had been doubled in 3H and I wanted to explore slam, I briefly contemplated bidding 4H. What would this have meant?

I was worried however, that the effect of the earplugs I was wearing at the time might induce my partner to think both my sight and hearing were affected and I hadnt seen the double.

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Posted 2006-September-04, 05:57

"- Partner has overcalled at the 3-level, but looks like he probably doesn't have much of his values in ♥ so where has partner pulled this 3♥ bid from?"

Good question.

I'm thinking he has something like KJ109xx in hearts, plus some stuff on the side, and stretched.

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Posted 2006-September-04, 06:47

4 Club.

Pd may or may not have many values in Heart. But he never promised them in the minors.He surely has something in spades, else they would compete in that suit.

So opposite KQxx, KQJxxx,xx,K f.e. I am even down in 4 Club...
Sure, Axxx,Axxxxx,Qx,A makes slam, but how likely is this?
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Posted 2006-September-04, 08:21

4♣ for me. An eight-card suit is called trumps.

And if the auction continues pass pass 4♠, i pass and await partner's Double.

My hand is 1048, I guess partner's hand rates to be 4621. Then give LHO something like 4252 that leaves for RHO: 4531.
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Posted 2006-September-04, 08:25

5C.
While 4H has an element of cuteness about it, I don't think it implies an 8-card club suit (though I've no idea what it does imply).
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Posted 2006-September-04, 08:50

4C.

The adv. is, that I can bid 5C over
anything partner responds, in case
he doubts that 4C is natural.

I am not 100% sure, that 5C is natural
anyway.

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Posted 2006-September-04, 08:53

5♣ for me. Good work RHO, you've removed my forcing 4♣ bid :(
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Posted 2006-September-04, 09:08

If I'm sure pard will take this as nat, 5♣. Otherwise 3♣, followed up by more clubs if pard starts pulling my club bids :(
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Posted 2006-September-04, 09:16

I'm struggling a bit to think what 5C could be other than to play in 5C
I have a general rule that "if the auction is undefined, game is to play", but even if you don't have that rule, what else could 5C possibly be? As soon as you start telling me it's some sort of heart support I would suggest you invest in the redouble card.
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Posted 2006-September-04, 10:14

5♣:I really can't see any reasonable alternative. Partner is almost never going to raise 4♣ to 5 when it is correct to do so... he thinks we are running from 3♥, not running towards game.
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Posted 2006-September-04, 10:44

5 clubs, closer to bidding 6 clubs than 4 clubs.
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Posted 2006-September-05, 02:12

mikeh, on Sep 4 2006, 05:14 PM, said:

he thinks we are running from 3♥, not running towards game.

That's the key point !

5♣ for me too
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