[adhoc3]

Scoring: IMP

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West opened weak 2 ♥, which enlightened the grand slam. Here's an unsuccessful bidding waiting for your comments.

2♥----pass----pass----dbl
pass-----2♠-----pass-----3♥
pass-----3NT-----pass-----4♣
pass-----4♥-----pass-----6♣//

Jack was sitting south. One of my friend gave precise analysis, I'll show it later.

[Flame]

north has 10 hcp and bid almost the same as he had 0 hcp, assuming the bid went the same as here, i would as north correct 6C to 7C and think im underbiding (and its true since south was overbidding here).

[mike777]

Having passed over 2H why not bid 3clubs showing some values(Lebensohl)?

Pard can RKC (4D kickback?) and you can show the AH and later Q of Clubs and K(Q) of hearts?

Now you can count 12 tricks, and decide whether to try for the grand or not. I would not start a cuebidding sequence and find out about the stiff D.

[whereagles]

After the 2♥ opening, I'd be happy to reach the small slam

[adhoc3]

My friend pointed a few issues which are all favorable to me, so I said 'precise analysis", lol.

1) North never show his strength, as Flame menioned.
2) South could never imagine there's no losser in 3 suits, i.e., H,D,C, after 3NT
3) Would not consider NT, as holding D singleton.
4) double, qbid, showing over 21 hcps, 7C is for sure, as Flame mentioned.

Hope can hear more comments from opposite:)

[rbforster]

mike777, on Aug 19 2006, 10:22 AM, said:

Having passed over 2H why not bid 3clubs showing some values(Lebensohl)?

As north, I'd figure partner's double was more looking for spades rather than clubs, and hence bid 2NT lebenshol, intending to follow it with 3♠ to show an invitational hand with spades. Of course South is bidding something other than (a passable!) 3♣ since he's got a huge hand.

[Flame]

maybe its a good idea to use a jump to 4m as showing 5+m 4M and pretty good hand. There are enough bids to show clubs, 3C, 2NT and pass of 3C, or 2NT and 4C. We all been in a situation where u have good minor but dont want to lose Major game and ends up in a bad 4-3 fit where a much better minor fit exist.

[Antoine Fourrière]

2♥ and 3N are understandable (under)bids, but North could have bid 5♥ over 4♣. It cannot be a splinter.

[Flame]

Antoine Fourrière, on Aug 20 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

2♥ and 3N are understandable (under)bids, but North could have bid 5♥ over 4♣. It cannot be a splinter.

what is 5H ? why bid 5H when u can bid 4H ?

[Antoine Fourrière]

I think it shows first-round control (even suggests AK) and anyway it forces to play the small slam, so it proposes a grand.

[paulhar]

whereagles, on Aug 19 2006, 12:16 PM, said:

After the 2♥ opening, I'd be happy to reach the small slam

And without the 2H opening, I wouldn't want to be in a grand! The way some people open 2H nowdays, I'm not sure you want to be in the grand anyway against an average team or in an IMP pairs game. My guess is that getting to 6C will be a pickup and also would avoid the embarrassment of going down in 7C against a piece of junk 2H opener when the other table is in 3NT or 5C or defending 5Dx.

Incidentally, if I bid more than 2S with the North hand, my partners would stop balancing. Sure, I would bid more than 2S when advancing a direct takeout double, but partner can be just not selling out to 2H with heart shortness. Yes, I know in theory that the opponents should have already bid 3H in that case, but the opponents can't always be trusted. Likewise, I don't think that 3NT is an underbid either. Partner could have about 19 and if parnter's hand is diamond oriented, then 3NT could be quite high enough.

Frankly, I think that both partners bid reasonably here and if the worst result they ever get is to miss a 90% grand slam with 30 highs, they're going to win a lot.

[Codo]

I am with Paul, that the small slam is enough in most cases.

And I see no convincing way, how North can show his stiff Diamond and his keycards.

My try had been:
(2♥) pass X
2 ♠ 3 ♣
3 NT 4 ♣ (KCs for Club)
4 ♦ 4 ♥ (Queen of club? Kings?)

MAYBE an enlighted North can now show his singleton Diamond as the king and then 7 Club is easy. But I never find these ideas at the table.

[keylime]

A few points to consider.

1). Who says that the preempting actually owns the KH? You'd hate to be foolish being in grand with the K-x OFFSIDE smirking.

1A) The preemptor could be opening on something like Jx J9xxxx KJx xx.

2) The double in passout isn't the worse call, trying to trap preemptor. I also liked the 3H asking bid because they knew where they were going: 3NT or 4C.

3) Lastly, getting to six clubs is good bridge. Not many are going to get to it at the club or local sectional fields. Well done.

[Codo]

There are two respected personshere who believe, that opener has opened a weak two in Hearts vul 1 hand on Jack sixt. I agree that this happens, but I bet, that the chance, that opener has the King of Heart is well above 80 %.

[keylime]

You'd be surprised how "modern" some of the preempts I get these days are...

I think it also depends on the field you're in too. At the club, grand looks a lot better. At a large tourney tho, best to keep your decent plus.