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I bid 4 diamonds meaning it to be a retransfer Opinions Please

#1 User is offline   sceptic 

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Posted 2006-July-08, 15:19


Scoring: IMP


West North East South

 -     -     1♠    1NT
 Pass  2♦    2♠    Dbl
 Pass  4♦    Pass  5♦
 Pass  5♥    Pass  6♦
 Pass  Pass  Pass  


what should I have bid after 2!S x
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Posted 2006-July-08, 15:32

You already showed your suit was hearts. I sympathize with your partner's 5D.

I would have bid 4H instead of 4D, being less subject to misinterpretation.

Do you play Texas transfers?. If so, this hand is a good candidate.

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Posted 2006-July-08, 19:02

3♠?
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Posted 2006-July-08, 19:47

yeah, 3♠ looks right
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Posted 2006-July-09, 10:08

If 3♦ would be natural and forcing (similar to transfer to hearts, followed by 3♦), I would take 4♦ as a retransfer. I agree a Texas transfer would be a good alternative though.
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Posted 2006-July-09, 11:39

3♠? What is the point of 3♠? You already know that you want to play in 4♥, so why not Texas transfer immediately.
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Posted 2006-July-09, 13:15

If the partnership is playing both Jacoby and Texas transfers, then there is an important difference in the types of hands being shown(at least as the people who I know in the states play it.) An immediate Texas transfer of 4D is either not slam invitational or is the prelude to slam investigation (often used to then make 4NT RKC). A transfer such as 2D followed by a raise to game is played by most people I know as a mild slam try. If you judged your hand as being worth a mild slam try, then I am OK with the 3D bid. If you didn't judge your hand as being worth at least a mild slam try, then you might have been better served by initially bidding 4D (assuming that this is a transfer).

IF you valued your hand as being worth a slam try, then I don't have a problem with a 3S bid: it warns partner to disregard any wasted honors in spades and you can still have time to bid 4H.

(note: I am not suggesting whether or not the hand is worth a slam try, only suggesting a method for differentiating a game bid from a slam try given the current auction.)

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Posted 2006-July-09, 15:15

The dbl, by the NT opener is not my cup
of coffee, but then i dont open NT with a
5 card mayor.

3D is certainly nat.
Is it forcing? That depends a bit on the meaning
of 2 NT.
What does 4D mean? No idea, a default agreement
would be splinter (... in case 3D was forcing).
Undiscussed I would never assume retransfer.

Bid simply 4H, ... next board.

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Posted 2006-July-09, 15:47

Hannie, on Jul 9 2006, 12:39 PM, said:

3♠? What is the point of 3♠? You already know that you want to play in 4♥, so why not Texas transfer immediately.

the bidding was (1S) 1NT (P) 2D (2S) X (P)

i can understand (1S) 1NT (P) 4D as texas, but i'm not sure 4D carries the same meaning after 2S, and that was his question.. maybe a simple 4♥ is best (after 2S), but he was evidently trying to get partner to declare... that was the point of my 3S suggestion
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Posted 2006-July-09, 23:02

As I and I think most of the folks I know around here play it, Texas is still on after an overcall if responder can still jump.
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Posted 2006-July-10, 02:41

4♦ is usually a splinter but maybe not in this situation. Just bid 4♥, that's clear and there's no particular reason to let partner declare. In fact, with your void in spades it may be an advantage for you to declare yourself if yo get a spade lead.
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