[sceptic]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     1♦    Dbl   Pass
 1♠    Pass  2♣    Pass
 Pass  Pass  


Ok not the best club suit in the world, but I did not know what else to bid

is 2 clubs forcing?

[hotShot]

In my view dbl followed by an own suit shows a very strong hand (almost GF), so i think it's forcing.
But i think this is not standard on BBO or SAYC.

[mike777]

No 2clubs is not forcing, you need to cue to force, but it does show extra's
I would have tried 2D and then 3S if pard rebids 2S keep in mind 1s can show zero.

[helene_t]

It's not forcing, and therefore it's not a good bid. The hand has the right strength but the clubs must be better or longer. 2♦ is better.

The west hand is too strong to pass 2♣, though. West already showed weakness by bidding 1♠, now it's time to bid 3♠ or 2♦.

[luke warm]

i agree that 2♣ isn't forcing, but it does show about what you have (i'd like more strength in clubs).. even so, i'd not pass the west hand after 2♣, i think ♠ is what i'd bid (playing opener for 18+)

[pbleighton]

I would have overcalled 1NT on this hand, playing systems are on after the NT overcall. Double is OK, though. 2C and 2D rebids are fine. 2C is not forcing, but limits your hand nicely.

I would have passed 2C as West.

Some hands are tough.

Peter

[hrothgar]

Bit of idle speculations here...

From what I can tell, there has been a shift in the mean of auctions like

(1♣) - X - (P) - 1♠
(P) - 2S

My impression is that this auction used to

(a) Confirm a Spade fit
(B) Show extra values (a non-minimum double)

The meaning of the raise seems to be changing. More specifically, many players are treating 2♠ as a "courtesy" raise, jacking the auction up a bit.

In turn, this change introduces some ripples elsewhere in the auction.

1. Double followed by a cue bid gets used to show the strong raise for partner's suit.
2. Double followed by a new suit is forcing
3. Double followed by a jump shift is fit showing

I think that there is something to be said for this style...

[kfgauss]

2♣ is not forcing, but is very encouraging. While it's not my choice, it is reasonable. Partner's hand is definitely good enough that he really must bid over 2♣.

Andy

[Winstonm]

The way I play 2C is not forcing but shows a hand of this stength - 18-ish - so West should bid again over 2C. I might try 2D with that hand - the hand is already limited by the 1S response so 2D shouldn't be taken too seriously. If partner can bid 2S over 2D I'll self raise to 3 and let him have the last word.

Winston

[P_Marlowe]

No.

It is a strong bid, but it just shows a hand,
which will need more than an Ace o King,
at least a pos. resp.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[mike777]

Wayne 2c is not one round forcing, partner can pass 2clubs:
xxxx..xxx....xxx...xxx=pass.

[luke warm]

sceptic, on Jul 2 2006, 06:02 PM, said:

ok why cant it be one round forcing but not forcing to game, I just think it is a waste as a non forcing bid (but my ideas usually get me in trouble)

you can have any agreement you want with partner, just make sure that one agreement (such as 2c being forcing here) doesn't interfere with other agreements... in general, taking this bidding as an example, your rebids after 1s would show:

1nt=17/18-20 balanced
2c=17, 18 unbalanced
2d=19+ to be described further
2h=17, 18 unbalanced
2s=15-17/18
2nt=21+ balanced

that's because you could overcall 1nt with 15-17 balanced or bid a suit with fewer than 17 points and unbalanced... with 15-17 or so and support for all suits, your plan is to x and raise one.. with fewer and support, your plan is to x and pass (unless partner cues or otherwise excites you)... as you see, the 2d bid is about the only forcing bid you have, tho that doesn't mean it's the only bid partner won't pass... of course, this isn't universal and others may have better ways... it's just *one* way

[kgr]

2♣ is not forcing for me, but West should not pass this. West's 1♠ did promise 0-7 pts. West is maximum and should bid 2♠ or (3♠ ?) now.