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Hi all,
Random Polish partner, agreed WJ2000'ish with 2D Multi and 2M 2-suiters.
Second board into the tourney, partner opens 1st seat fav 1C with Kxxx AT7x QJx xx, which ostensibly is 12-14 balanced, I guess. You respond 1H with Axx KJ8xx KTxx x. LHO bids 5C, and partner bids 5H.
Is this partner
a) beginner,
b ) intermediate,
c) advanced,
d) expert,
e) world-class, or
f) other?
Thanks,
Dan
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Posted 2006-June-12, 08:04
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Posted 2006-June-12, 08:18
Other: He is either goofing or has access to partners hand
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Posted 2006-June-12, 08:21
Well, he is enthusastic bidder for sure.
In his favor, he has at least 8 card heart fit and vul is right for a "save". An opponent who bids 5♣ RED VERSUS WHITE here probably expects to make or to be down one at the very most. So he could be thinking "save" against their vulnerable game.
Having said that, he lacks a 1♣ much, much less a 5♥ bid. So we can safely assume this is not a world class player or an expert. Could he be a beginner? No, I don't think so. IT would not occur to a beginner to open this pile of junk, nor to bid 5♥.
So that leaves intermediate who likes to bid, or an advanced player who thinks he needs to mastermind the hand (what does he know about the style of the 5♣ bidder... if he is convinced 5♣ bidder bid 5♣ to "make", that gives a little push at this vul to take the "save").
A better strategy seems to be to pass. If partner has a little something, he will reopen with double likely, then opener can decide to stick it out in 5♣ or to take the push to 5♥, but to be fair, preempts make it hard on everyone. So I will stick with intermediate or at most advanced. On the other hand, one hand is generally not enough to make such conclusions.
In his favor, he has at least 8 card heart fit and vul is right for a "save". An opponent who bids 5♣ RED VERSUS WHITE here probably expects to make or to be down one at the very most. So he could be thinking "save" against their vulnerable game.
Having said that, he lacks a 1♣ much, much less a 5♥ bid. So we can safely assume this is not a world class player or an expert. Could he be a beginner? No, I don't think so. IT would not occur to a beginner to open this pile of junk, nor to bid 5♥.
So that leaves intermediate who likes to bid, or an advanced player who thinks he needs to mastermind the hand (what does he know about the style of the 5♣ bidder... if he is convinced 5♣ bidder bid 5♣ to "make", that gives a little push at this vul to take the "save").
A better strategy seems to be to pass. If partner has a little something, he will reopen with double likely, then opener can decide to stick it out in 5♣ or to take the push to 5♥, but to be fair, preempts make it hard on everyone. So I will stick with intermediate or at most advanced. On the other hand, one hand is generally not enough to make such conclusions.
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Posted 2006-June-12, 08:56
High risk moves are a valid and neccessary strategy in tourneys with a low number of boards.
LHO bid 5♣ in red opposite a passed partner, so he has at least 8-9 ♣.
If opps have a fit (even with all cards in one hand) we have a fit too.
Now he is masterminding.
1) If opps preempt in red on the 5 level, we must be able to play 4-7 something. And "something" should be ♥, if you bid your best suit.
2) If opps seriously are strong enough to make 5♣, white vs. red we have a good defence.
Only if we can't make 4/5♥ and they can't make 5♣ we will have a bad score.
As noted in other threads: If you don't go down once in a while, youre not biddding enough games.
LHO bid 5♣ in red opposite a passed partner, so he has at least 8-9 ♣.
If opps have a fit (even with all cards in one hand) we have a fit too.
Now he is masterminding.
1) If opps preempt in red on the 5 level, we must be able to play 4-7 something. And "something" should be ♥, if you bid your best suit.
2) If opps seriously are strong enough to make 5♣, white vs. red we have a good defence.
Only if we can't make 4/5♥ and they can't make 5♣ we will have a bad score.
As noted in other threads: If you don't go down once in a while, youre not biddding enough games.
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Posted 2006-June-12, 09:00
I wouldn't think he's worldclass, since he doesn't respect the system he's playing at all...
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Posted 2006-June-12, 09:55
f) other: nuts
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Posted 2006-June-12, 18:20
i'd guess expert to world class, for some of the reasons ben stated... but it'd take a pretty good player (or a pretty bad one) to bid this way, and i opt for pretty good
having said that, it's hard to figure the 1♣ bid... did something happen on the 1st board?
having said that, it's hard to figure the 1♣ bid... did something happen on the 1st board?
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Posted 2006-June-15, 23:51
other: in need of a revisitation of sanity. No reason to open this a Polish 1C when the system espouses sound openings 1st/2nd seat.
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Posted 2006-June-16, 02:30
Only 1♣ should be opened soundly, the other opening bids are limited and as such can also be played with lighter openings. In my WJ2005 file I already tried to suggest this:
1♣: 12 - 14 balanced or 4414, 15+ with 5+♣ or 18+ any
1♦♥♠: 11 - 17
2♣:11 - 14
About the player:
f) other: endless optimist
1♣: 12 - 14 balanced or 4414, 15+ with 5+♣ or 18+ any
1♦♥♠: 11 - 17
2♣:11 - 14
About the player:
f) other: endless optimist
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Posted 2006-June-16, 22:58
I don't care if this person is world class or better. This person is a poor partner in my opinion, and this person has insulted his/her partner by opening this hand. Responder/advancer might take action based on values that opener doesn't have and wind up with a poor result. And if there is anything to be made on the combined hands, opener has insulted his/her partner instead of assuming that partner will bid/ play reasonably. This doesn't even take into account the idea that this person's partner will now doubt the veracity of this person's bids/ partnership trust is seriously injured.
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Posted 2006-June-19, 21:31
inquiry, on Jun 12 2006, 02:21 PM, said:
Well, he is enthusastic bidder for sure.
In his favor, he has at least 8 card heart fit and vul is right for a "save". An opponent who bids 5♣ RED VERSUS WHITE here probably expects to make or to be down one at the very most. So he could be thinking "save" against their vulnerable game.
Having said that, he lacks a 1♣ much, much less a 5♥ bid. So we can safely assume this is not a world class player or an expert. Could he be a beginner? No, I don't think so. IT would not occur to a beginner to open this pile of junk, nor to bid 5♥.
So that leaves intermediate who likes to bid, or an advanced player who thinks he needs to mastermind the hand (what does he know about the style of the 5♣ bidder... if he is convinced 5♣ bidder bid 5♣ to "make", that gives a little push at this vul to take the "save").
A better strategy seems to be to pass. If partner has a little something, he will reopen with double likely, then opener can decide to stick it out in 5♣ or to take the push to 5♥, but to be fair, preempts make it hard on everyone. So I will stick with intermediate or at most advanced. On the other hand, one hand is generally not enough to make such conclusions.
In his favor, he has at least 8 card heart fit and vul is right for a "save". An opponent who bids 5♣ RED VERSUS WHITE here probably expects to make or to be down one at the very most. So he could be thinking "save" against their vulnerable game.
Having said that, he lacks a 1♣ much, much less a 5♥ bid. So we can safely assume this is not a world class player or an expert. Could he be a beginner? No, I don't think so. IT would not occur to a beginner to open this pile of junk, nor to bid 5♥.
So that leaves intermediate who likes to bid, or an advanced player who thinks he needs to mastermind the hand (what does he know about the style of the 5♣ bidder... if he is convinced 5♣ bidder bid 5♣ to "make", that gives a little push at this vul to take the "save").
A better strategy seems to be to pass. If partner has a little something, he will reopen with double likely, then opener can decide to stick it out in 5♣ or to take the push to 5♥, but to be fair, preempts make it hard on everyone. So I will stick with intermediate or at most advanced. On the other hand, one hand is generally not enough to make such conclusions.
This assessment is fair I think. A beginner or intermediate dare not do that, opening 1C light and then bid 5H. A world class player has discpline not do that. Only an advanced yet not good enough player will have nuts for that.
But i think you should not care too much if he is only a pick up pd. After all, this is only a game.
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