[Walddk]

Scoring: IMP

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Teams. You open 1♥, LHO overcalls 1♠ and your partner doubles *). 3♠ to your right (pre-emptive). What is your rebid?

*) Minors, unlimited with 4-4. 2mi would be forcing and preferred with 10+ hcp and 5+ cards.

Roland

[badderzboy]

Assuming Partner has shown 4-4 in the minors and no 5 card suit that leaves 5 cards in the majors.

Opps have shown 8/9+ Spades and I have 2 so Partner at most 3 spades and likely 2.

So from the bidding to date then partner is 3244 (if opps 5-3 not likely) or 2344 shape.

Pass seems a little wimpish as partners values must be in the other suits and so support the rest of my hand.

3NT seems a tad unlikely as I need him to hold at least A♥ and A♣ ! so I'll try 4♥ on at worst a 5-2 fit with a secondary fit in Clubs

Steve

[Codo]

I agree, that 3 NT is a stretch and if pd has the cards you need to make 3 NT, he will bid 6...

So I show my fit by bidding 4 Club hoping, that pd will be able to make an intelligent descission.

[han]

I think that pass is clear, and if it wasn't for the two other replies here I would have complained that such a non-problem should not be posted. The only alternative to passing is doubling, which would be a serious option at matchpoints imo.

Given the bidding to date this is an absolutely minimum hand, and we have no reason to bid at the 4-level opposite a partner who has not shown more than, say, a 7-count. The 4♥ bidder is mistaken, partner has not shown at least 2 hearts, partner typically has at most 2 hearts.

[Blofeld]

I double because it's a problem hand.

Otherwise I pass.

[mr1303]

I think pass is 100% clear cut. 4C should show either a better hand or better clubs. I think there's a good case for opening this 1NT in the first place. I have no aces and wasted KQ tight in spades.

I've no reason to double this at all. I'd even expect this to make.

[Codo]

I have 15 HCPs, 5 looseres. For me, this is not a minimum, I would be happy, if all my openings would be so sound.
The downsides are KQ sec. in spade and the jack of Diamond of course, but
still about 13 really well working points are left, which is much more then a normal opening.

And there is another point: If you "pass" in this situation can be made with a fit and an opening even Culbertson had not thought about, you need quite a lot table feeling from pd to find the winning action after this is passed to him.....

[Walddk]

Hand evaluation is not easy, but to me this is a clear minimum now that the opponents have told me that ♠Q doesn't carry its full weight. I see no reason to bid at the 4-level opposite what could be a 6 count, so 4♣ seems like an overbid.

3NT is not appealing unless partner has considerable extras (if he has he will bid again), and double would not only show a different hand but also a stronger one in my methods.

Pass is often a logical alternative. It's the only bid as I see it. The thing you should not do, though, is to tank, then pass and finally expect partner to re-open.

Roland

[hotShot]

Well i count 6 looser, but i think 4♣ should be bid, because partner is unlimited.

[Miron]

Pass, I don't like the hand. ♠KQ cut and the hand is not much suitable for 3NT. Let them (maybe) fall.

[helene_t]

hotShot, on May 15 2006, 01:07 PM, said:

Well i count 6 looser, but i think 4♣ should be bid, because partner is unlimited.

But if partner is strong, he will bid again. You need to bid only under the assumption that he doesn't bid again, and under that assuption he' limited.

Anyone for avoiding this problem by opening 1NT, btw?

[bearmum]

Walddk, on May 15 2006, 05:56 PM, said:

Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: IMP

♠ KQ ♥ KJ1095 ♦ J10 ♣ KQ94

Teams. You open 1♥, LHO overcalls 1♠ and your partner doubles *). 3♠ to your right (pre-emptive). What is your rebid?

*) Minors, unlimited with 4-4. 2mi would be forcing and preferred with 10+ hcp and 5+ cards.

Roland

PASS WTP

because ---- I have shown

1. a 5 card ♥ suit
2. NO 5 card minor AND less than 17 points ( or I could force at this point) and PARTNER is the unlimited hand so I need to limit MY hand as soon as I can ( as I do with my PASS )

[hotShot]

helene_t, on May 15 2006, 01:28 PM, said:

hotShot, on May 15 2006, 01:07 PM, said:

Well i count 6 looser, but i think 4♣ should be bid, because partner is unlimited.

But if partner is strong, he will bid again. You need to bid only under the assumption that he doesn't bid again, and under that assuption he' limited.

Anyone for avoiding this problem by opening 1NT, btw?

Partner described his shape perfectly, without knowing about our fit he is out of options, especially because he is unlikely to have a ♠ stopper.
So his choices are:
no stopper => no 3NT,
no fit no bid and
dbl => most likely penatly here, and if he's not strong enough to see it down 2 and without good trumps, he should not do that.

So he needs information about my hand, and if I don't give any he will just pass.

[edit]
I know, that we have only 1♠ looser, partner has only 2♥ so we might get away with 1♥looser, we won't have more than 2♦ looser and 1♣ looser. And we did not need a single point of partners HCP for that. He will hardly have any ♠ hcp. ♥Q, ♦Q, ♣J will ensure that 4♣ are only down one, and partner will have more than that.

[Gerben42]

I pass, I just hope I can do so quickly enough. Although it is nice we have a minor suit fit, this pile of quacks is not good enough to play on the 4-level after just a double of 1♠.

[whereagles]

At matchpoints double is clear. At imps I might double as well, if in need of points. Seems like it's one of those 3NT that goes down on lack of aces.

On another note, pard probably has 2 spades, which might mean he has 3 hearts, but preferred the negative double. Still, 4♥ should have just about the same chances as 3NT. Well, I dunno. Double or pass, depending on tactical factors.

[luis]

I double to show extra values, I can't pass in tempo here.

Luis

[Free]

Agree with Luis, I also Double...

[Kalvan14]

Pard's double can also come from 5-4 (even 5-5) in the minors, and just 8-9 HCP.
Therefore, no real hope I'll find 3 hearts in his hand (why should he deny support?).
The theoretical 15 HCP in opener's hand make it a points trap: too many quacks.
I might have onsidered 1NT opening; over 3♠, IMHO it is a clear pass.

[jchiu]

PASS

The opponents have strongly implied that I have substantial wastage in spades. Even if I optimistically thought this was a 15-count to begin with, it is slightly worse than a minimum opener now. Partner rates to have a doubleton spade too, and can make a competitive double with offensively-oriented values in the minors. Then, I will take out to 4♣ hoping to make it, since my aceless wonder will need too much from partner to make 3NT on a single stopper.

[Winstonm]

Pass. If partner cannot move again we are probably not making much if anything.