[Blofeld]

Scoring: IMP

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This came up in a team match.

Your options are:
Pass
1♠. Roughly rule-of-20, but I'm guessing someone will go for it anyway
2♦, weak 2 in either major, fairly aggressive.
2♠, weak with 5♠ and 4+ minor
3♠ etc.

What's your plan (if any) for the later auction?

What do you do if playing Frelling 2s (as the other table were)?

[Free]

I pass. I don't like frelling two's with a good 6 card Major... I'll get in the auction later (I hope)

[kfgauss]

I don't have much experience playing Muiderberg, but I'm happy bidding it (ie 2S) on this hand if I am playing it. I plan to act as though I have a normal Muiderberg 2S bid (ie presumably not bid more on my own) later on in the auction. Hopefully my methods allow partner to ask something about my suit lengths, but even if not, I'm still bidding it.

I have no idea regarding frelling twos (as I understand it the candidate bids, other than pass, are 2D showing 4+D + 4+M and 2S showing 6+S or 4+S & 5+C). I'd have to know something about the follow-ups to know whether it's a good idea to bid 2D (I suspect it isn't, but I'm no proponent of frelling twos anyways).

This hand is rather more interesting playing standard. I don't have any theory regarding these hands and both 2S and pass (hoping to bid michaels later) are reasonable. If I opened 2S, I wouldn't be tempted to bid again due to my poor suit quality (in both suits).

Andy

[hrothgar]

I was sittign with this hand at the other table and chose to open 2♦
I didn't like the bid when I made it
I don't like the bid now
And yet, I felt compelled to bid...

[luis]

My theory is that whatever you do the only wrong option is pass.
Weak distributional hands were created to disturb your opponents bidding, if you let the train go you won't catch it later.
I would open 3♠, 4♠ or 2♠ depending on the opponents, match, tournament etc. It's a positional bid.
1♠ seems wrong because pd will end up doubling something that they can make.

Luis

[mike777]

2s, will bid 3d if given the chance.

edit: did not see this only shows 5s for this thread, oh well.

[pclayton]

3♠; closer to 4 than 2. Brian would open 4 except at maybe red on white.

[pbleighton]

4S, 3S a close second.

Peter

[civill]

pass for both VUL,otherwise 2♠.That's my personal opinion.

[Codo]

2 ♠, maybe showing extra length later..

[P_Marlowe]

pass.

Assuming Freilling 2S is a weak 2-suiters (5-5)
with spade, I would bid 2S, since then Iwill have
the chance to show the extreme distribution with
a later bid of clubs.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

yeah.. 3♠ or stuff like that.

[Free]

P_Marlowe, on Apr 27 2006, 07:42 AM, said:

pass.

Assuming Freilling 2S is a weak 2-suiters (5-5)
with spade, I would bid 2S, since then Iwill have
the chance to show the extreme distribution with
a later bid of clubs.

With kind regards
Marlowe

Frelling 2♠ shows 6+♠ / 4+♠5+♣
Frelling 2♦ shows 4+♦ and 4+M

So the Frelling opening is 2♦, hiding the ♠ at first, OR 2♠ to show 6+♠ and hide the ♦ suit for ever. In descriptions of frellings however, this actually doesn't fit to the distributions possible for a 2♠ opening (6322, 6331, 7222)...

[MickyB]

Hm, your options seem to be -

Pass, showing your shape later
2♠ Dutch, planning to bid again
3♠ or 4♠, then letting it go

I don't think 2♦ is right, because it is likely that you will be promising hearts if you ever introduce your ♦.

Both vul, I'm just too scared to open 4♠. Maybe I shouldn't be, but on a bad day, I am getting forced. 3♠ seems very reasonable - I've found 6-5 and 6-6 preempts often get doubled and make, the opponents thinking that their 5 combined trumps are sufficient to make defending right.

My instinct is always to pass on these hands and show a 2 suiter later. This seems better than 2♠ planning to bid again, because the opponents don't know that they are about to be preempted, so they won't be using bidding space optimally. Preempting is likely to preempt them into giving you the last guess. On the other hand, passing now leaves you with problems if the auction turns out in a way such that bidding a new suit on the 2nd round wouuld be a fit non-jump.

[cherdano]

whereagles, on Apr 27 2006, 09:32 AM, said:

yeah.. 3♠ or stuff like that.

Agree with whereeagles, as usual.