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This is really a no brainer 1C?
Let's see, we have 1 defensive trick. Not to be accused of being a point counter, but yes, we still have 8 points.
What is the gain of 1C? Does it describe our hand? Do we really expect to bid spades cheaply at our next turn? Call me a pessimist, but I have a feeling the opponents are going to bid. Even if we are somehow able to bid spades cheaply at our next turn, does that describe our hand? Chances are we are going to be bidding a lot later on in this hand after opening. When are we going to limit our hand? What are we going to do when partner starts the Xing?
This is a highly modern game where opening a purely offensive 8 count at the 1 level is a no brainer.
I'll go with 4C. We may lose the spade suit if we have a fit there, but we will at least be describing a very offensive hand with a long club suit and not much defense. Seems good to me. We will also be preempting the opponents which also seems good.
5 is too much at these colors I think.
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Posted 2006-April-24, 11:08
1) 3♦ I guess. It probably won't hurt the opponents too badly but who knows, maybe it will cause a misunderstanding if opener doubles this. Of course, as Phil said, maybe I don't want them to have a misunderstanding and double me!
2) 4♣ is about what the hand is worth in terms of playing strength, but I am going to bid only 3♣ because I want to make sure someone bids over this since I plan on bidding spades next, even 4♠ if need be. Even a partner who would never bid this way will surely at least have a decent idea what my hand looks like, which is a lot more than I can say for any auction beginning with 1♣.
If I were just going to take one bid, 4♣. Pass is against my religion on a hand like this. My order of bids preference is 3♣ 4♣ 5♣ 1♣ 1♠ then I guess pass.
3) 2♣ then bid spades next. This one isn't even a problem, I won't try to get cute like on the last one.
Marlowe and Miron: No one in the U.S. (well I guess you can never definitively say no one, but no one I've ever met) plays 1♦ 2♦ as spades with either clubs or hearts. Everyone plays it as majors, I guarantee over 99% of pairs play it that way. If you bid 2♦ then bid spades over partner's heart bid, he will forever and ever just think you have a good hand with both majors but longer spades, like 6-5 or 7-5.
2) 4♣ is about what the hand is worth in terms of playing strength, but I am going to bid only 3♣ because I want to make sure someone bids over this since I plan on bidding spades next, even 4♠ if need be. Even a partner who would never bid this way will surely at least have a decent idea what my hand looks like, which is a lot more than I can say for any auction beginning with 1♣.
If I were just going to take one bid, 4♣. Pass is against my religion on a hand like this. My order of bids preference is 3♣ 4♣ 5♣ 1♣ 1♠ then I guess pass.
3) 2♣ then bid spades next. This one isn't even a problem, I won't try to get cute like on the last one.
Marlowe and Miron: No one in the U.S. (well I guess you can never definitively say no one, but no one I've ever met) plays 1♦ 2♦ as spades with either clubs or hearts. Everyone plays it as majors, I guarantee over 99% of pairs play it that way. If you bid 2♦ then bid spades over partner's heart bid, he will forever and ever just think you have a good hand with both majors but longer spades, like 6-5 or 7-5.
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Posted 2006-April-24, 12:29
Josh, I know players in the Detroit area who play that 1D-2D shows spades and another. I agree with the 99% estimate though.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2006-April-24, 14:28
(1) 3♦
(2) Pass. I do not subscribe to Josh's religion.
(3) With some of my regular partners, 2♦ (top+bottom, 4+♠ and 5+♣ with a decent hand). Otherwise 2♣ planning to bid spades later if possible.
(2) Pass. I do not subscribe to Josh's religion.
(3) With some of my regular partners, 2♦ (top+bottom, 4+♠ and 5+♣ with a decent hand). Otherwise 2♣ planning to bid spades later if possible.
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Posted 2006-April-24, 14:56
1. 3♦, definitely. I like my suit and I don't want them to find a cheap support double. Let 'em grope.
2. 1♣ in standard, 2♣ in Precision. I am not passing.
3. 2NT, showing clubs and a major. I like my hand, and the void looks nice.
2. 1♣ in standard, 2♣ in Precision. I am not passing.
3. 2NT, showing clubs and a major. I like my hand, and the void looks nice.
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Posted 2006-April-24, 18:03
Oops. I seem to have lost the hand records for these. I can say that on each one, the key was to not get overboard. All of the hands belonged to the opponents and as long as you didn't bid too much, you were ok.
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Posted 2006-April-24, 18:09
I'm all for passing if I can describe my hand well later with a t/o X or michaels or unusual NT bid of some kind. I don't understand what pass will gain you on the 2nd board, unless we are going al roth style and waiting to see what happens.