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Pas-(1D)-X-(3D)-X The actual hands and bidding

#1 User is offline   kgr 

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Posted 2006-April-18, 16:21

This is follow-up of my other post. Note that responsive DBLer is a passed hand. What difference does that make - if any?
Scoring: MP

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Bidding at table of person who triggered this question:
Pass-(1D)-X-(3D)
X-(Pass)-3H-All pass
Rate first DBL, second DBL, 3H and final pass.
South told me that North should pick a Major with support. North's DBL should be penalty, because South already told he had the Majors. (he was not sure if this responsive DBL is defined in their system).
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Bidding at my table ;) :
Pass-(1D)-2H-(Pass)
Pass-(3C)-Pass-(3D)
3H-All Pass
I did bid 2H weak, intended as a MP 3th hand gamble. Was this just too strong? (Most of the time we end first or 2nd, that probably the biggest reason not to gamble too much).
Or should we still reach 4H after the weak 2H bid?
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Posted 2006-April-18, 16:43

The first double is very strange. This is a normal 1 overcall. Holding such great disparity between major suits, one should normally bid the longer major. This hand is not strong enough to double and introduce hearts freely later.

The second double is normal if you play responsive doubles in this situation (I don't).

Having been given a second chance, it seems like the initial doubler should now bid 4. Didn't partner promise both majors, thus guaranteeing a ten card heart fit?

Final pass is again normal.

As for your table, I've found that making a weak bid with a strong hand is generally not a good tactic. Partner will make many bad decisions, missing games, trying bad sacrifices, not doubling contracts that have no play, and so forth and so on. Again I would bid 1. I think partner should bid 3 directly (rather than the delayed 3) to increase pressure on the opponents, but I would not be thinking about game on this hand after the preemptive jump.

I would recommend an auction of: Pass-1-1-3-3-Pass-4.
Adam W. Meyerson
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Posted 2006-April-18, 17:34

Souths suggestions that his partner should pick a major is simply a weak arguament to try and overcome the dismal resultand poor choice of bids. The hand is not in the t/o dble group, it's really that simple. My strong sugestion is S should refrain from offering bidding suggestions.

After seeing the hands the S player should appreciate how foolish his suggestion is for partner to pick a major, just give him 1 less H and make that H a minor card. Now how silly is playing S on this hand when you have a 9 card H fit?

There is no reason why the N/S pair should fail to reach 4H.
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Posted 2006-April-18, 17:46

awm, on Apr 18 2006, 05:43 PM, said:

The first double is very strange. This is a normal 1 overcall. Holding such great disparity between major suits, one should normally bid the longer major. This hand is not strong enough to double and introduce hearts freely later.

The second double is normal if you play responsive doubles in this situation (I don't).

Having been given a second chance, it seems like the initial doubler should now bid 4. Didn't partner promise both majors, thus guaranteeing a ten card heart fit?

Final pass is again normal.

As for your table, I've found that making a weak bid with a strong hand is generally not a good tactic. Partner will make many bad decisions, missing games, trying bad sacrifices, not doubling contracts that have no play, and so forth and so on. Again I would bid 1. I think partner should bid 3 directly (rather than the delayed 3) to increase pressure on the opponents, but I would not be thinking about game on this hand after the preemptive jump.

I would recommend an auction of: Pass-1-1-3-3-Pass-4.

I second that.
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Posted 2006-April-20, 14:58

:angry: Since you asked. The first double stinks. The responsive double is textbook. The 3 bid suggests a mind totally devoid of bridge knowledge. The final pass is perfect.
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