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Do you invite? My favourite question; No poll this time

#1 User is offline   Miron 

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Posted 2006-April-04, 07:41

Scoring: IMP

1♠ - p - p - 2♥
p - ?


I bid pass. Do you think it makes sense or I just should invite?
(2♥ are promissing 10-15).

I have "wasted" spade values and empty clubs (all clubs honours will be behind partner's clubs). If partner has ♥AK, some ♣ and ♦Q he will accept, but this could be quite wrong. If he is missing ♥ honour, it will be (most probably) behind him.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 07:54

Hi,

I would invite with 2S.

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Posted 2006-April-04, 08:03

I would invite with 2 nt showing my ♠ stopper ( perhaps 2 ) ♥ support without ruffing value and at least 10 points
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Posted 2006-April-04, 08:09

I would simply raise to 3♥. This shows a bit more than had I bid 1♠ 2♥ p 3♥
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Posted 2006-April-04, 08:10

Pass. Partner is bidding my values.. The more I have, the less he has... add to that,

1) I am 4333, we are not vul
2) The king of spades is not a good card for me even though it is well placed.

To invite here will just teach your partner not to balance.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 08:17

Definitely worth an invite. 3NT needs as little as

x
AQxxxx
xxx
Axx

opposite, and the likely spade lead/continuation.

In fact, there might be a point in bidding a straight 3NT!!!
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Posted 2006-April-04, 08:30

2NT for me also. I do not want to punish partner for balancing, but I also do not want to encourage partner to overbid on other hands.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 09:39

Add me to the 2NT bidders. That seems to me to clearly be the best shot at game. Passing is unthinkable as far as I'm concerned.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 09:59

2♥ does not deny a decent hand, so pass makes little sense. For those who say that bidding may discourage partner from balancing, I say that passing may drive partner nuts! What is he supposed to bid with Qx AQ10xx Jx KQxx as a mundane example? Some might double and then bid 2♥, but surely 2♥ is not irrational. Make it Jx AKxxxx Qx Kxx and surely we all bid 2♥?

So bidding is clear and the question is what?

2N looks right on values and the ♠10, but understates the ♥ length.

However, my ♥ length is not likely to be an asset in a trump contract, since I lack even a semblance of a ruffing value. Plus a 9 trick game is more probable than a 10 trick game. Finally, if partner has a weak hand, he may pass 2N which rates to be safer than 3♥, which is where 2♠ will drive us.

So I choose 2N rather than 2♠.

I would not consider 3♥: 3♥ says I like my hand for suit play: and I don't.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 10:34

Easy pass NV.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 10:42

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 04:34 PM, said:

Easy pass NV.

Would you balance 3♥ on

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AQxxxx
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Axx
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Posted 2006-April-04, 12:29

2N. Pard can pull with 6 hearts or a 2nd suit.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 13:15

whereagles, on Apr 4 2006, 04:42 PM, said:

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 04:34 PM, said:

Easy pass NV.

Would you balance 3♥ on

x
AQxxxx
xxx
Axx

Yes I would.
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Posted 2006-April-04, 13:19

whereagles, on Apr 4 2006, 11:42 AM, said:

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 04:34 PM, said:

Easy pass NV.

Would you balance 3♥ on

x
AQxxxx
xxx
Axx

Me too... and even less....
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Posted 2006-April-04, 13:46

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 07:15 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 4 2006, 04:42 PM, said:

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 04:34 PM, said:

Easy pass NV.

Would you balance 3♥ on

x
AQxxxx
xxx
Axx

Yes I would.

Ok, so you and Ben are allowed to pass 2♥ :P

hum.. wait, I seem to remember you saying in another thread that 3♥ showed 12-15 and 6 cards. I take it you count aces as 5 points? :blink:
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Posted 2006-April-04, 14:14

whereagles, on Apr 4 2006, 07:46 PM, said:

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 07:15 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 4 2006, 04:42 PM, said:

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 04:34 PM, said:

Easy pass NV.

Would you balance 3♥ on

x
AQxxxx
xxx
Axx

Yes I would.

Ok, so you and Ben are allowed to pass 2♥ :rolleyes:

hum.. wait, I seem to remember you saying in another thread that 3♥ showed 12-15 and 6 cards. I take it you count aces as 5 points? :blink:

I don't understand the question
1♠ - p - p - 3♥ is indeed 12-15 with 6 cards to me
The hand you post has 10hcp, is there some confusion about how to count or are you mixing apples with bananas?

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Posted 2006-April-04, 14:37

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 08:14 PM, said:

I don't understand the question
1♠ - p - p - 3♥ is indeed 12-15 with 6 cards to me

Well, if it's 6 cards and 12-15 hcp, the only reason I see you doing it with 10 hcp is if you count aces as 5 points :rolleyes:
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Posted 2006-April-04, 15:51

whereagles, on Apr 4 2006, 08:37 PM, said:

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 08:14 PM, said:

I don't understand the question
1♠ - p - p - 3♥ is indeed 12-15 with 6 cards to me

Well, if it's 6 cards and 12-15 hcp, the only reason I see you doing it with 10 hcp is if you count aces as 5 points :rolleyes:

2♥ and 3♥ are two different bids aren't they?
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Posted 2006-April-05, 02:10

I passed.

Pard had:
Scoring: IMP


Easy 4♥ :rolleyes:
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Posted 2006-April-05, 02:53

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 09:51 PM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 4 2006, 08:37 PM, said:

luis, on Apr 4 2006, 08:14 PM, said:

I don't understand the question
1♠ - p - p - 3♥ is indeed 12-15 with 6 cards to me

Well, if it's 6 cards and 12-15 hcp, the only reason I see you doing it with 10 hcp is if you count aces as 5 points :rolleyes:

2♥ and 3♥ are two different bids aren't they?

Well, ok. Nevermind.
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