[y66]

Does BBO support a bridge league concept?

If someone wanted to start a bridge league, for example, to promote bridge and competition among colleges and universities, corporations, corresponding alumni and retiree groups, or groups of any kind, would it be possible to do this on BBO?

Is someone already working on this promotion angle at BBO, WBF, ACBL or other?

I don't see anything when I search the forum.

[Sigi_BC84]

BBO is currently lacking the necessary features to comfortably set up a team league. I have suggested this in some other thread, and we are all patiently awaiting developments. The main problem is that predealing hands in team events is a pain in the neck, and I think that would be necessary to run a fair league.

Having a league, or multiple leagues for teams on BBO would be AWESOME.

--Sigi

[uday]

I think you can run a league here now if you are willing to track the results yourself. I don't believe predup hands are a requirement. Am unsure of the demand for this sort of thing.

[csdenmark]

y66, on Mar 27 2006, 01:30 PM, said:

Does BBO support a bridge league concept? 

If someone wanted to start a bridge league, for example, to promote bridge and competition among colleges and universities, corporations, corresponding alumni and retiree groups, or groups of any kind, would it be possible to do this on BBO? 

Is someone already working on this promotion angle at BBO, WBF, ACBL or other?

I don't see anything when I search the forum.

There are one - I think still living.

Ray's Bridge Ladder. You find links via Public Clubs on BBO.

There have earlier been several attempts - I think all failing due to much enthusiasm but in the long run not sufficient seriousity. BBO-Poland I think was the longest living attempt.

[wojela]

Hi
We want to re-establish Internet Bridge League. May be in may or june. We have the software and now look for people who want to help us.
Everybody can send mail to me, if have free time
wojela@bridgebase.com
Regards
Ela Wojciechowska - wojela

[Myon]

uday, on Mar 27 2006, 02:29 PM, said:

I think you can run a league here now if you are willing to track the results yourself. I don't believe predup hands are a requirement.  Am unsure of the demand for this sort of thing.

Afaict, currently there is no way to have a 3-teams match. One can do 3 independent team matches, but then everyone is idle for 1/3 of the time.

[paulg]

I have posted before about the difficulty of running teams in a league. If you are considering running a league, then I suggest establishing set dates and times for the matches.

I know that this causes problems between the many timezones, but if this is stated at the outset then I believe you will have a more successful, and less stressful, competition.

I'm unsure why preduplicated hands are needed (surely this can only lead to potential security problems) and, personally, would prefer Uday & Fred's time to be spent on enhancing team games rather than a league. In fact I'd rather see a 4 x 6 board Swiss Teams supported. although I'm not sure I'd want to direct it!

Paul

[Fluffy]

2004-2005 or so Nexus was running a junior league to help them train against each other. But I think it is not running any more

[andych]

YES Rays Bridge Ladder is still living!
To save you some efforts, below are the links
http://www.rays.ustc.../ladder/Bridge/
http://www.rays.ustc...der/BridgeTeam/

csdenmark, on Mar 27 2006, 01:34 PM, said:

y66, on Mar 27 2006, 01:30 PM, said:

Does BBO support a bridge league concept? 

If someone wanted to start a bridge league, for example, to promote bridge and competition among colleges and universities, corporations, corresponding alumni and retiree groups, or groups of any kind, would it be possible to do this on BBO? 

Is someone already working on this promotion angle at BBO, WBF, ACBL or other?

I don't see anything when I search the forum.

There are one - I think still living.

Ray's Bridge Ladder. You find links via Public Clubs on BBO.

There have earlier been several attempts - I think all failing due to much enthusiasm but in the long run not sufficient seriousity. BBO-Poland I think was the longest living attempt.

[y66]

Rays Bridge Ladder is using team match capabilities already supported in BBO.

Their league (ladder) is self-organizing and all league support functions, except actual match play, are managed outside of BBO.

Simple. Beautiful. It works.

Conclusion: The bridge league concept is feasible for self-organizing leagues that use ladders.

Thanks for the posts!

p.s.

Is there any interest in bridge leagues? There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence for this at the moment. Of course, there wasn't a lot of interest in fantasy baseball before 1980 either.

I know one thing. Bridge players love to compete. And who doesn't love to root for their favorite teams, especially the ones they're on!

Bridge is a partnership game. Can it also succeed as a club sport? Club sports are player-oriented, not organization-oriented. So, if bridge is ever to become a club sport, guess where the impetus will come from?

[csdenmark]

y66, on Mar 28 2006, 03:27 PM, said:

Rays Bridge Ladder is using team match capabilities already supported in BBO. 

Their league (ladder) is self-organizing and all league support functions, except actual match play, are managed outside of BBO.

Simple.  Beautiful.  It works. 

Conclusion:  The bridge league concept is feasible for self-organizing leagues that use ladders.  

Thanks for the posts!

p.s.

Is there any interest in bridge leagues? There doesn't seem to be a lot of evidence for this at the moment.  Of course, there wasn't a lot of interest in fantasy baseball before 1980 either.  

I know one thing.  Bridge players love to compete.  And who doesn't love to root for their favorite team, especially the ones they're on!  

Bridge is a partnership game.  Can it aslo succeed as a club sport?  Club sports are player-oriented, not organization-oriented.  So, if bridge is ever to become a club sport, guess where the impetus will come from?

If you have a partner I will be interested to join. I have no health for captaining.

My partner and I plays Bocchi-Duboin club 2001 incl. much brown-sticker features, but such no problem on the ladder.

We can start with 4 persons, but best with 6. We are both europeans - that will work if you have New York time - else not.

[HueRay]

We're currently run both pair and team KO beside normal ladder challenges in rays ladders. All matches are scheduled and played privately. The KO coordinator/commissioner make input through the web administration page quite easy. If necessary, I'd like to help and implement a league format team web site.

Hue

[Sigi_BC84]

I think we are quite interested, Hue. Thanks for the offer, I'm just looking at your site, it looks really great. Some dedicated league support would be good (should not be too hard to implement).

Probably it would be best to start with a league for each of the major timezone (Americas and Europe, maybe Asia too).

--Sigi

[andych]

Rays Bridge Ladder is simply awesome.
A BIG thank to Hue for his wonderful work.

And welcome Hue to the Forum.

[csdenmark]

HueRay, on Mar 28 2006, 04:54 PM, said:

We're currently run both pair and team KO beside normal ladder challenges in rays ladders. All matches are scheduled and played privately. The KO coordinator/commissioner make input through the web administration page quite easy. If necessary, I'd like to help and implement a league format team web site.

Hue

I was impressed to see Hue that the ladder after how many years I dont know - but I have known it for approx. 5 years. Your ladder was the point for me to create a really good friendship with Gary - we both miss him I think!

I am not exactly sure Hue - but as I remember the software BBO-Poland has will support what you may intend here. To me it looks like a cooperation that way over wil be a good way to take advantage from what already is there. Alex is the person to contact - I think you have him via Messenger - else I can help you.

[Sigi_BC84]

cardsharp, on Mar 27 2006, 04:07 PM, said:

I'm unsure why preduplicated hands are needed (surely this can only lead to potential security problems) and, personally, would prefer Uday & Fred's time to be spent on enhancing team games rather than a league. In fact I'd rather see a 4 x 6 board Swiss Teams supported. although I'm not sure I'd want to direct it!

The main reason why I'd like to have preduplicated boards (or equivalent support directly within BBO) is the following:

Especially if the matches are short, you want all teams participating in the league to play the same boards, simultaneously, against their respective opponent for the given round of the league. Otherwise, you add some unnecessary randomness to the league, because there might be more swinging boards in one match than in another, for the same round of the league. Of course one can argue that this doesn't matter much or evens out over time.

Also I find it very appealing to be able to compare your own results with those from other matches in the same league round.

The third advantage is the ability to rank all pairs (in addition to the teams) for each given round using Butler scoring or Cross-IMPs.

Some minor advantages are increased security that the boards are truly random (if you're really serious) and that it's easier to integrate them with your web site for the league (you don't have to extract the lin files from the web first).

The biggest disadvantage is that you have to have the teams playing simultaneously or you have to be able to rely on the fairness of all teams not to look at existing results.

I admit that it's all not strictly necessary and that the current features are enough to get a league running, but I think it would be much nicer to use predup boards (if you can coordinate the teams).

--Sigi

[andych]

Sigi_BC84, on Mar 28 2006, 03:54 PM, said:

I think we are quite interested, Hue. Thanks for the offer, I'm just looking at your site, it looks really great. Some dedicated league support would be good (should not be too hard to implement).

Probably it would be best to start with a league for each of the major timezone (Americas and Europe, maybe Asia too).

--Sigi

Hmm......but a league for each of the major timezone does not sound appealing to me.

The beauty of Rays Bridge Ladder, as well as BBO is that we can play with anyone all over the world.

[Sigi_BC84]

andych, on Mar 28 2006, 05:10 PM, said:

Hmm......but a league for each of the major timezone does not sound appealing to me.

The beauty of Rays Bridge Ladder, as well as BBO is that we can play with anyone all over the world.

The timezone leagues would make it much easier to schedule dates for the matches. Of course you would be free to play in another timezone if that suits you better (e.g. if you like to play at night).

Keep in mind that we're talking about teams of people here, that is you have to schedule EIGHT people, not two or four.

Edit: just think about the typical working hours. If you have a few people in each team working a 9-5 job, that pretty much kills the idea of matching teams up across the pond (unless they are all ready to play on weekends, which quite often is family time).

--Sigi

[andych]

Sigi_BC84, on Mar 28 2006, 04:10 PM, said:

cardsharp, on Mar 27 2006, 04:07 PM, said:

I'm unsure why preduplicated hands are needed (surely this can only lead to potential security problems) and, personally, would prefer Uday & Fred's time to be spent on enhancing team games rather than a league. In fact I'd rather see a 4 x 6 board Swiss Teams supported. although I'm not sure I'd want to direct it!

The main reason why I'd like to have preduplicated boards (or equivalent support directly within BBO) is the following:

Especially if the matches are short, you want all teams participating in the league to play the same boards, simultaneously, against their respective opponent for the given round of the league. Otherwise, you add some unnecessary randomness to the league, because there might be more swinging boards in one match than in another, for the same round of the league. Of course one can argue that this doesn't matter much or evens out over time.

Also I find it very appealing to be able to compare your own results with those from other matches in the same league round.

The third advantage is the ability to rank all pairs (in addition to the teams) for each given round using Butler scoring or Cross-IMPs.

Some minor advantages are increased security that the boards are truly random (if you're really serious) and that it's easier to integrate them with your web site for the league (you don't have to extract the lin files from the web first).

The biggest disadvantage is that you have to have the teams playing simultaneously or you have to be able to rely on the fairness of all teams not to look at existing results.

I admit that it's all not strictly necessary and that the current features are enough to get a league running, but I think it would be much nicer to use predup boards (if you can coordinate the teams).

--Sigi

I am not impressed by pre-duplicated hands neither......

[Sigi_BC84]

andych, on Mar 28 2006, 05:20 PM, said:

I am not impressed by pre-duplicated hands neither.....

Well, as I said, it would be a nice bonus, not really necessary.

Actually it's even possible to upload hands into the team matches, but its an awkward process and will lead to a lot of trouble in practice.

Maybe I should not have called it "predup". What I actually want is the ability to synchronize the boards between different tables. Maybe we'll get that one day, until then I'm fine with taking what we have for running leagues.

--Sigi