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#1 User is offline   Kalvan14 

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Posted 2006-March-12, 16:56

Scoring: IMP

1S - (2D) - X - (P) - ?


Your preferred rebid
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Posted 2006-March-12, 17:13

Put me down for 2.
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Posted 2006-March-12, 17:20

2H?

Wtp, you make the cheapest
possible bid, you descibe 9 cards of 13
and you are limiting your hand.

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Posted 2006-March-12, 18:27

3H for me. 6-4 with good suits and a fit are powerful things.
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Posted 2006-March-12, 19:54

Thanks, Justin. I felt a minority of one :)

I went for 3 too, and partner raised to 4 with Q AKxx Txx Qxxxx

Spades were 4-2, and hearts 3-2: there was no problem in scoring the game.
Which was not bid in the other room, after 1-(2)-X-(P)-2-all P
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Posted 2006-March-12, 22:04

Kalvan14, on Mar 12 2006, 05:54 PM, said:

Thanks, Justin. I felt a minority of one :D

I went for 3 too, and partner raised to 4 with Q AKxx Txx Qxxxx

Spades were 4-2, and hearts 3-2: there was no problem in scoring the game.
Which was not bid in the other room, after 1-(2)-X-(P)-2-all P

I don't think your pard should pass 2 with that hand.

Still, 3 is a sensible call, esp at IMPs.
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Posted 2006-March-12, 22:05

Kalvan14, on Mar 12 2006, 08:54 PM, said:

Thanks, Justin. I felt a minority of one  :D

I went for 3 too, and partner raised to 4 with Q AKxx Txx Qxxxx

Spades were 4-2, and hearts 3-2: there was no problem in scoring the game.
Which was not bid in the other room, after 1-(2)-X-(P)-2-all P

That is some pass of 2h by responder but Ok, willing to listen.

Hmm why do I think he expects opener to have less than 13 hcp and 3QT :)
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Posted 2006-March-12, 22:20

It is a strange world where you have to bid twice to show the same hand.
IMHO, 2 rebid shows a clear cut minimum, and I am not convinced that responder should give a raise.
I'd like to know what happens when opener has 5-4-2-2 (or even 5-4-3-1), which is not completely out of the picture.
It is likely to be a matter of style: what is certain is that our opponents bid 1-2-X-P-2 and all passed.
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Posted 2006-March-13, 04:41

Direct 4 for me. All I need in front is

xx
AKxx
xxx
xxxx

and that's about the worse hand I can buy.
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Posted 2006-March-13, 08:51

I agree with Phil.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-March-13, 14:27

I agree with Han :P
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Posted 2006-March-14, 03:15

I agree with Fluffy. :P :P
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Posted 2006-March-14, 10:17

In which case, I agree with Senshu :)
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Posted 2006-March-20, 01:29

If my partner were a passed hand then I'd think real hard about bidding 4, but in the sequence given I'd settle on 3.
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Posted 2006-March-20, 10:13

The choice is 2 or 3: only supermen who can play without partners (they know partner's hand better than he does, and never let partner make a decision when they can make it first) would bid 4.

And which you choose is a partnership style matter. If you are an extremely light opener, then 3 is the right bid. If partner is expected to pass the hand he actually held, then 3 is the bid. If, as in my partnerships, responder is supposed to invite with the hand he actually held, then 2 is okay.

If I did not know our style.. say I was playing with a good but unknown partner, then I would bid 3 because we are vulnerable, and would bid 2 if white or if at mps.
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Posted 2006-March-20, 13:56

3 is clear I think, the danger of 4 is that partner might actually think we have got a good hand. 99% of the time game is good partner will bid 4 over 3
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Posted 2006-March-21, 04:14

hatchett, on Mar 20 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

the danger of 4 is that partner might actually think we have got a good hand.

That's not a problem because pard is a passed hand. He can't have enough extras to go to slam.

If he were not a passed hand, then 3 is probably better, though 4 is ok if you want to make sure you don't miss game.
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Posted 2006-March-22, 00:20

:) My bid is 3H. As Reese wrote in one of his books, "6-4, bid more." Fallacy is relying on HCPs for very distributional hands. This hand is not your usual 12-14 miniumum hand, it has AK in long suit, and 4-4 fit in partner's suit. I would be disappointed if I don't take ten tricks on this hand. I expect partner to upgrade his honors in majors and downgrade his non-ace honors in minors. Give partner xx,Kxxx, Qxx, Kjxx, and he may pass my 3H bid. Change Dq to CQ, and partner shd bid to game, but it may not make. -a
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