[Walddk]

whereagles, on Mar 9 2006, 01:02 PM, said:

Roland, why is it you always worry about that 5% where the practical bid doesn't work and forget the 95% of the hands where it does work, and gets you to the right contract?

Because you and I have two different approaches to bidding. Your view is that guessing is the practical way of solving a problem like this; mine is that it is not. I want to find out if responder has 6 spades or not, rather than jumping into the pool without knowing if there is water in it ot not (3NT).

You can get lucky of course, but you can also get seriously injured if you try. I do not see 3NT as a practical bid. I think it's a very bad bid.

Roland

[badderzboy]

Walddk, on Mar 9 2006, 10:40 AM, said:

OK, so 2♠ can be 5 (5332 pattern). Non-forcing I take it. This raises new questions: what is responder supposed to do with

♠ K4
♥ J76
♦ J92
♣ AKJ64

1. Hope that opener has 6 and bid the spade game?
2. Hope that opener has goodies in the red suits and bid 3NT?
3. Rebid 3♣ (which I assume is non-forcing)?

Playing Acol, 4-card majors, 15-17 NT, what would a 2NT rebid show? Is there a consensus or does it depend on an individual agreement?

Roland

Playing Acol, if my partner bid 1♠ then I would simply rebid 3NT which promises a balanced 13-15 count and no 4 card major and implies 2♠ as I would temporize with 2 Minor with 3♠s looking for 5-3 fit.

If you don't bid this way you are stuffed by 1♠-2♣-2♠ and even a 2 red suit bid is damn scary if he is 5-4 which says pls lead the unbid suit ptr! to the opps!.



Steve

[whereagles]

Walddk, on Mar 9 2006, 12:30 PM, said:

Because you and I have two different approaches to bidding. Your view is that guessing is the practical way of solving a problem like this; mine is that it is not.

Bridge is a guessing game. Ignore this at your own risk

[Wackojack]

Walddk, on Mar 9 2006, 05:40 AM, said:

OK, so 2♠ can be 5 (5332 pattern). Non-forcing I take it. This raises new questions: what is responder supposed to do with

♠ K4
♥ J76
♦ J92
♣ AKJ64

1. Hope that opener has 6 and bid the spade game?
2. Hope that opener has goodies in the red suits and bid 3NT?
3. Rebid 3♣ (which I assume is non-forcing)?

Playing Acol, 4-card majors, 15-17 NT, what would a 2NT rebid show? Is there a consensus or does it depend on an individual agreement?

Roland

Playing Acol, I have a specific agreement with 1 partner that 1s-2c-2s-3c is forcing. I believe that in old fashioned Acol this passable, but to me it does not seem to make much sense. Playing Acol with a good partner even without specific agreement, if I has a weak spade rebiddble hand and partner rebid 3c, I would not dare to pass it, considering that partner was probably making a constructive bid, possibly even exploring slam possibilities. So with a a 5332 I would probably next bid 3nt. With a 5323 and a weak doubleton I would bid 4c and if partner next bid 4s I would pass.

[joshs]

Walddk, on Mar 9 2006, 05:40 AM, said:

OK, so 2♠ can be 5 (5332 pattern). Non-forcing I take it. This raises new questions: what is responder supposed to do with

♠ K4
♥ J76
♦ J92
♣ AKJ64

1. Hope that opener has 6 and bid the spade game?
2. Hope that opener has goodies in the red suits and bid 3NT?
3. Rebid 3♣ (which I assume is non-forcing)?

Playing Acol, 4-card majors, 15-17 NT, what would a 2NT rebid show? Is there a consensus or does it depend on an individual agreement?

Roland

I would rebid 3D. Of course nothing is perfect. A tactical underbid of 2N isn't totally rediculous (I prefer that to 3N). IF I had to guess what the right game was, I would bid 4S, but 3D is a reasonable attempt to get to 3N, since with 6 spades and a heart stop partner can bid 3H to flex back at me.

[P_Marlowe]

Walddk, on Mar 9 2006, 05:40 AM, said:

OK, so 2♠ can be 5 (5332 pattern). Non-forcing I take it. This raises new questions: what is responder supposed to do with

♠ K4
♥ J76
♦ J92
♣ AKJ64

1. Hope that opener has 6 and bid the spade game?
2. Hope that opener has goodies in the red suits and bid 3NT?
3. Rebid 3♣ (which I assume is non-forcing)?

Playing Acol, 4-card majors, 15-17 NT, what would a 2NT rebid show? Is there a consensus or does it depend on an individual agreement?

Roland

3 NT, wtp?

If you fear to go down in 3NT, bid 2NT, which would
show a bal. 10-12 count, down grade the jacks if you
have to, but dont complain, when you make an over
trick.

Opener will bid 4S if he holds a 6 carder, i.e. 1 is out.
3C would show a 6 carder, and 10-12, I am stronger
and I dont have a 6 carder, i.e. 3) is out as well.

With kind regards
Marlowe