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Posted 2006-February-22, 20:03

The man (LHO) open his 1♥ on the 3rd position (NVul vs Vul) , partner take T/O double ,RHO pass:
p p 1♥ DB
P ?
the hand which i hold:
Q86
AJT92
9853
4
Many choice to me now:pass/1NT/2♦/1♠,they are all the possible practical bidding.but , which is the best?
commentate if u want,thanks.


this is the actual question appeared on the fujian province(china),ilka effector will be started by each way.
I will proceed after this question.

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Posted 2006-February-22, 20:31

1nt

seems clear but willing to listen and learn.
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Posted 2006-February-22, 22:29

spots are good enough to make me sit, especially since this 3rd seat 1H could be joker style.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 02:41

1NT.

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Posted 2006-February-23, 02:56

Jlall, on Feb 23 2006, 05:29 AM, said:

spots are good enough to make me sit, especially since this 3rd seat 1H could be joker style.

Joker style : no, no ! LOL ;)

I should take the risk to pass at MP but will definitively bid 1NT at imps.

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Posted 2006-February-23, 04:28

pass for me, but since it's asked what to do it will probably turn out wrong...
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Posted 2006-February-23, 04:30

Pass for me also, note the nice spots in ♥.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 05:39

pass. I don't like the ♥AJ109x, both ♥KQ (probably) behind me. Hearts are useless for us, and outside hears I don't have any usable honor. Pass will score probably some small plus (-1 I assume). Even 1♥x= might be good for us (better then 3NTx :-) ).
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Posted 2006-February-23, 07:43

You will probably create 2 or maybe 3 more tricks for your partner playing in hearts then any contracts played by partner except diamonds. Pass seems to be the best action.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 09:00

joker_gib, on Feb 23 2006, 03:56 AM, said:

I should take the risk to pass at MP but will definitively bid 1NT at imps.

Alain

This seems strange to me. A pass is MUCH riskier in MP. In MP -160 will likely be a zero. At imps, you haven't lost much. Like if youre going set a trick in 1N, you will only lose a couple of imps anyways. Granted the reward is also higher in MP, but I do not see a pass as risky at all in imps. We aren't Xing them into game.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 13:56

I'll pass at any vul or form of scoring. Love those heart spots.

Love to punish 3rd seat trash when I can.
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Posted 2006-February-23, 19:48

thanks for every standpoint,and i surprise nobody mention 2♦ or 1♠.

the 1st table (they name it main table) is a pair of sibling,they learnd bridge from 1991 and study it 5hours per day during 2001-2004,and win the 2005 in their province.
the younger north bid the 1♠,then following:
p p 1♥ DB
P 1♠ P 2♦
P 2♥ P 3♣
P 3N P 4♠
P ?

Would you jump to 6♦ as the younger brother did?i will provide 4hand after this.would you help them to analyse?thanks.


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Posted 2006-February-26, 19:36

no any reply for it, i am sadness.
this is the 4hands:
SOUTH stop ♥ leading,fineses ♣,ruff ♣ ,fineses ♠,pitch ♠on ♣A,ruff ♠ after ♠A,♦back,ruff 4th ♣ ,then lucky to ruff ♥ back by ♦ jack.
make it

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Posted 2006-February-27, 16:34

I can see some merit to 2♦, but not 1♠ on a three card suit which just seems an unnecessary distortion compared to either bidding my long suit (2♦), or 1NT to show a heart stop and some values or passing and attempting to penalise.
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Posted 2006-February-28, 01:15

I would have passed. Even if there is a slam, it's a bit difficult to get there, and there is no certainty you are going to make it. 1♥X is 3 off, which is a good one, in any case.

If I choose not to pass (say with worse intermediates) I prefer to bid 1♠, though. It is the most sure fit, and I don't want to crucify partner if his double comes from 4-1-3-5 (not to say from 4-2-2-5, which is a possibility).

I'm bringing a honor in spades, 1 A and ruffing values in clubs. Iwould not refuse playing 4♠ in a Moysian fit, if partner is strong enough
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Posted 2006-February-28, 06:07

Personally, I would not bid 1S (avoid bidding 3 card suit when there are other sensible alternatives). But I appreciate this bid (Suit oriented values, ruffing potential, honor third in spade, may score better than NT or diamonds in MP).

However, I don't like the 2H cue-bid-followed-by-3NT continuation. Advancer has a great hand for diamonds and he probably has not shown his fit yet. This sequence seems to me not particularly encouraging in exploring diamonds slam. I guess cue-bid is strength showing & seeking H stopper (default meaning of cue bid), & 3NT express doubt about the strain (contrast with direct 3NT leap). Though maybe played otherwise, I am sure mort random expert partnership would define the sequence this way. If the meaning of cue bid is fit-showing, then every bid seems reasonable(except the agreements, how does the pair explore 3NT if lacking a general-strength showing cue)

I think if advancer splinter 4C over 2D, then the slam will be reached more effortlessly.

Btw, if I were doubler, I would bid 2S over 2H, as I will not hide 3-card major support for long.
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