Competitive situation at MP Red vs White
#1
Posted 2006-February-16, 23:27
1D (1S) X (2H)
?
X promises 4 hearts.
2H is natural, non forcing.
What do you bid, and how much do you like it ?
#2 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2006-February-16, 23:33
#5
Posted 2006-February-17, 02:33
Would Al Roth open this hand ..I think yes but think this is extras?
Please no mean responses. I assume x =8 whcp.
#6
Posted 2006-February-17, 03:57
I'd bid 3D holding better intermediates (say the T or the 98, not just the 8), in other words, at these colors, I rebid 3D with a suit that is very likely to play for 1 loser opposite pard shortness.
KQJ8xx vs a singleton is not guaranteed not to lose 2 tricks if diamonds split badly, and, at red, -200 might be a bad board.
Pass has the advantage of flexibility: pard can still double for business, or, it is still possible that our best strain is not diamonds but clubs.
Passing indeed relinquishes chances to compete in diamonds (if we do not rebid diamonds, pard will hardly bid them, I suppose).
However, I'd feel better about my pass if I were playing weak NT and 1D opening guaranteeing an unbalanced hand....
#8
Posted 2006-February-17, 08:42
#10
Posted 2006-February-17, 14:29
Not playing that, 3♦ is in order. Hearts, very likely, split 1-3-4-5 and it's necessary to help pard take a decision, should LHO bid 3♥.
#11
Posted 2006-February-17, 18:59
#13
Posted 2006-February-17, 19:18
- hrothgar
#14
Posted 2006-February-17, 19:21
Arend
#15
Posted 2006-February-18, 00:51
#16
Posted 2006-February-20, 03:12
Chamaco, on Feb 17 2006, 04:57 AM, said:
I'm another minority.
I think I have a poor hand. Stiff A and SK looks ugly. I will not hope pard bid 3NT after 3D and I don't worry about how to defence 2H. So I'll wait and hear.
#17
Posted 2006-February-20, 09:09
Roland
Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
#18
Posted 2006-February-23, 04:38
I bid 3D, and it went :
1D (1S) X (2H)
3D (X) All Pass
West's X showed willingness to compete, and East had an easy pass. This lead to -200 which wasn't a complete success.
Since the bad spade position can be guessed from the bidding, and we are misfitted in hearts, I was wondering if these negative adjustments were enough not to rebid the diamonds. Thanks for you replies.
#19
Posted 2006-February-23, 04:56
We all like to bid (this is true especially if you are good declarer-unlike me).
However, I have seen that there are some people who:
a. like to be pushy when holding opener's hand here ( I do think that KQJxxx suit quality is often overrated, lacking intermediates- in situations where pard does not guarantee a fit)
b. others like to be pushy as responder when making a negative double; for instance, in this sequence, they would have Xed with responder's hand, even holding only xxx-K9xx-xx-Kxxx which is even weaker than the hand you posted
Of course, I think all approaches are plausible after pship agreements.
However, my point is:
if we are going to bid 3D with opener's hand, then in the same partnership it is not advisable to double negative with light hands such as xxx-K9xx-xx-Kxxx
If one side is aggressive, the other one must be conservative, at least at red: if opener is to decide whether bidding 3D, he should know if he can expect some "good stuff" and NOT just a pair of straw kings with a side 4 card major.
Or, we can watch the same situation the other way around: if - by pship agreement - I am going to make a negative double with just 2 Kings and a side 4cM, I want to be sure that pard does not hang me at the 3 level just because he has KQJxxx in his suit that I did not support.
I think the outcome of the posted hand (which turned out badly despite responder having a textbook negative double) is self-explanatory
#20 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2006-February-23, 09:20
Chamaco, on Feb 23 2006, 05:56 AM, said:
if we are going to bid 3D with opener's hand, then in the same partnership it is not advisable to double negative with light hands such as xxx-K9xx-xx-Kxxx
I do not think that this logically follows. In bridge, sometimes both players have minimums for their actions and a 2 trick set occurs (often happens in game bidding). Sometimes both players have maximums and a perfect game or slam is missed. That does not mean that both players did not take correct probabilistic actions. It simply means that they didn't work out.
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That would be the definition of resulting.
Here is 1 way of looking at it. Given the auction up to the point of 2H would you like to A) compete with the NS hands, with a good chance of pushing them up or
But again, even if partner had the worst possible hand for us and we went down 2, I wouldn't feel bad. On average, partner won't have the worst possible hand.
Bridge is not perfect. We will not always find the best contracts and will sometimes go for numbers. We just have to try and make the bid that will get us the most points possible on average. This does not mean that that bid will work.

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