BBO Discussion Forums: Playing in an individual at IMPs - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

Playing in an individual at IMPs

Poll: Red Versus White, what do you bid after 1C-(pass)-? (52 member(s) have cast votes)

Red Versus White, what do you bid after 1C-(pass)-?

  1. 1H (is this a real question) (44 votes [84.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 84.62%

  2. 2H (this is a strong jump shift if I ever saw one) (2 votes [3.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.85%

  3. 4H (why let partner play it, in an indivdual he will screw it up) (1 votes [1.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.92%

  4. 1S (best time to pych, we can always play clubs) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 1D (talk them out of leading a diamond) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 2C (inverted minor suit raise) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. 3C (strong jump raise) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. 4NT (ask for aces) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  9. 4C (ask for aces) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. 5C (bid what we hope CHO can make) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  11. 6C (keep them in dark on lead, don't risk bidding confusion) (4 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  12. 3NT (partner has to have somethiong in spades, bid NT first) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Other (why the heck play in individual anyway) (1 votes [1.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.92%

Vote Guests cannot vote

#1 User is offline   inquiry 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Admin
  • Posts: 14,566
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amelia Island, FL
  • Interests:Bridge, what else?

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:04

Scoring: IMP

Partner opens 1 in an individual where you play only one board per round, and bid before you could even say hello. You have no agrements, and partner's profile says "intermediate" and nothing else. Your bid.

--Ben--

#2 User is offline   joker_gib 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,384
  • Joined: 2004-February-16
  • Location:Belgium

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:10

I think an intermediate can understand the 1 bid :P

Alain
Alain
0

#3 User is offline   Gerben42 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,577
  • Joined: 2005-March-01
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Erlangen, Germany
  • Interests:Astronomy, Mathematics
    Nuclear power

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:11

Well 1NT is out with a too strong hand and a void! :P 1
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do!
My Bridge Systems Page

BC Kultcamp Rieneck
0

#4 User is offline   Codo 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,373
  • Joined: 2003-March-15
  • Location:Hamburg, Germany
  • Interests:games and sports, esp. bridge,chess and (beach-)volleyball

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:14

I play individual as normal as possible and try to make the normal bids.
This gives me bad results and a big record as dummy, as my pds try to play any single hand, but I am not ready yet for chanig my mind and become more successful. I must admit, that 6 club is a close second...
Kind Regards

Roland


Sanity Check: Failure (Fluffy)
More system is not the answer...
0

#5 User is offline   hrothgar 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,724
  • Joined: 2003-February-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Natick, MA
  • Interests:Travel
    Cooking
    Brewing
    Hiking

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:18

EASY 1 bid...

If partner can't understand this bid, do we really want him declaring a club contract?
Alderaan delenda est
0

#6 User is offline   mr1303 

  • Admirer of Walter the Walrus
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,570
  • Joined: 2003-November-14
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia
  • Interests:Bridge, surfing, water skiing, cricket, golf. Generally being outside really.

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:22

Almost anything could work. Certainly I'd expect most of my partners in an individual to try Blackwood.

But I try bidding normally if at all possible, so I bid 1H.
0

#7 Guest_Jlall_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:34

1H. I do see some potential rebid problems because he may not know 4th suit forcing or new minor. On the other hand, I would like to play the contract.
0

#8 User is offline   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,520
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2006-February-08, 09:58

If you don't bid 1 here (or even think about doing s.th. else), you should really really not play in an individual IMO. Let's not give up trying to play bridge before we know it's necessary. (Also, partner is "intermediate", a good sign, not an "expert...)

Arend
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#9 User is offline   luis 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,143
  • Joined: 2003-May-02
  • Location:Buenos Aires, Argentina

Posted 2006-February-08, 10:23

1
I don't have anything to say, I think 1 is obvious.
The legend of the black octogon.
0

#10 User is offline   dogsbreath 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 281
  • Joined: 2003-March-28
  • Location:Belfast,N.Ireland
  • Interests:bridge,golf,cricket,baseball, ironing (?)

Posted 2006-February-08, 11:30

hi
1H is the 'correct' bid. (I voted for 6 :) )

There are other factors in an Indy .. the opps are keener than usual to sacrifice because no 'regular' partner to upset and on this board it looks like a sac maybe good for them. So i choose 6C ..let them save over that if it suits them.
I dont generally favour this style, but it may well be right to play in C even if we have a Heart fit (unless 2 losers :) )!!
Additionally, partners are less upset by unusual bids when you let them play the hand.

If i am wrong i will apologise humbly

Rgds Dog
ManoVerboard
0

#11 User is offline   awm 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 8,670
  • Joined: 2005-February-09
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Zurich, Switzerland

Posted 2006-February-08, 12:16

I think 1 is the best call. This gives you a chance to declare (if partner raises the hearts) and has essentially no chance of being passed (partner might think 2 is weak) or otherwise misinterpreted. It gives the opportunity to hear more from partner before picking a contract.

The tough question is what to do at the next turn if hearts are not raised. It feels like 6 may be in the works, without any intelligent way to investigate with no agreements...
Adam W. Meyerson
a.k.a. Appeal Without Merit
0

#12 User is offline   kenberg 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,277
  • Joined: 2004-September-22
  • Location:Northern Maryland

Posted 2006-February-08, 12:51

I bid 1H.

I enjoy indys, as perverse as that may sound. My experience is that "intermediate" usually means intermediate, not beginner. It's the "expert" self-ratings that are almost invariably based on fantasy. Intermediates can be trusted to know that a new suit by responder is forcing, and they probably know that a fourth suit bid could be a fake suit. At any rate, if he rebids a spade, you bid 2D, and if later you bid 6C he will know to play it in clubs or hearts. Of course LHO is most likely about to bid a lot of spades, after which you may need to bid 6C and hope it all works out.

Yes I like strong jump shifts and yes they are the default in SAYC, but I wouldn't bid 2H here in an indy even if partner agreed to play SAYC and listed himself as World Class. I just wouldn't. Probably especially I wouldn't if he listed himself as World Class.

The most frequent frustrations in indys (my opinion) are not that you get dropped in a forcing bid. Rather you evaluate your hand, stop in a partscore in hearts, take nine tricks, and get a bad result because other pairs are playing game off four cashing but not cashed tricks. Or something similar. Here is one from the other day in a regular acbl tourney, not even an indy: 1D(me)-(1S)-2D- (3D)-5D all pass. I am in five undoubled non-vulnerable diamonds, off three, they are cold for 4 vulnerable of either major and while I score above average, it's just barely so. This is a little crazy. But I come back for more.

Anyway, I bid 1H.

Ken
Ken
0

#13 User is offline   pclayton 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,151
  • Joined: 2003-June-11
  • Location:Southern California

Posted 2006-February-08, 13:05

Ben:

If you feel torture with simple problems like this, don't play INDYs. There's no glory in winning a 9 board tourney with a bunch of half-wits.

It will only screw up your game in the process.

Oh and I bid 1.
"Phil" on BBO
0

#14 Guest_Jlall_*

  • Group: Guests

Posted 2006-February-08, 13:18

pclayton, on Feb 8 2006, 02:05 PM, said:

There's no glory in winning a 9 board tourney with a bunch of half-wits.

There's always glory in winning :)
0

#15 User is offline   han 

  • Under bidder
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,797
  • Joined: 2004-July-25
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Amsterdam, the Netherlands

Posted 2006-February-08, 13:19

1, I'm ready for the story Ben.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

- hrothgar
0

#16 User is offline   jikl 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 558
  • Joined: 2004-October-08
  • Location:Victoria, Australia

Posted 2006-February-08, 23:23

I voted Other!

Since I have 2 answers.

F2F, I quickly bid 1 and hope the 3 opps don't know the rules very well. This may give me a chance to play it! Unfortunately this might not work. We might have to pull out another nasty bid later on, we might have to double partner to ban him from the auction when he starts to go overboard in the bidding :D

On BBO, I guess I will have to go with 1 :P

Sean
0

#17 User is offline   bearmum 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 757
  • Joined: 2003-July-06
  • Location:Perth Australia

Posted 2006-February-09, 00:09

1 WTP?? :D
0

#18 User is offline   nickf 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Yellows
  • Posts: 774
  • Joined: 2003-June-07
  • Location:Chatswood, Sydney

Posted 2006-February-09, 00:15

pclayton, on Feb 9 2006, 05:05 AM, said:

Ben:

If you feel torture with simple problems like this, don't play INDYs.

what he said.

nickf
sydney
.

#19 User is offline   Free 

  • mmm Duvel
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 10,728
  • Joined: 2003-July-30
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Belgium
  • Interests:Duvel, Whisky

Posted 2006-February-09, 02:38

I really don't see the problem here. If I bid 2 partner may think it's weak, if I bid 2 he might pass, anything else than a normal forcing 1 response is passable I'm afraid!

The only alternative imo is 5, but will they understand what it means?
"It may be rude to leave to go to the bathroom, but it's downright stupid to sit there and piss yourself" - blackshoe
0

#20 User is offline   Chamaco 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,909
  • Joined: 2003-December-02
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rimini-Bologna (Italy)
  • Interests:Chess, Bridge, Jazz, European Cinema, Motorbiking, Tango dancing

Posted 2006-February-09, 03:06

Come on Ben, pull out the story behind this poll, it can't be that trivial, of course most human beings would bid 1H.... ;)
"Bridge is like dance: technique's important but what really matters is not to step on partner's feet !"
0

  • 2 Pages +
  • 1
  • 2
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users