[luke warm]

Hannie, on Jan 24 2006, 02:18 PM, said:

If I had not discussed Gerber in this auction ~~snip~~

discuss?!? this is about the best reason i've ever seen to always play with pick up partners and to never discuss anything

[han]

OK, no more jokes about Gerber if Luis can't handle them and Jimmy doesn't get them (or plays his part too well).


Seriously now, I like to play 1S-2m-3H as natural, but I think that it should be a very descriptive bid such that partner will often be able to place the contract or tell me about what I want to know. A typical hand for me would be KQ10xx AQJxx Kx x. Clearly the posted monster hand with six solid spades does not resemble this.

Admittedly, 2H also does not show this hand, but partner won't think that he knows my hand yet. Also, the bidding will be at a much lower level so we will be able to exchange more information.

[han]

(shh Justin, starting the cover-up)

[Kalvan14]

2♥, for me [3♥ would be a splinter in support of clubs].

I do not play Gerber in such an auction (Gerber only during NT auctions witout fit; 4♣ here would be a RKC agreeing clubs). IMHO, even if I played Gerber, I'd not use it: if pard has 2 aces, which ones are they? The ♥A is worth 1 1/2 times the ♦ or ♣ ace.

Over 2♥, the worst possible rebid from pard would be 3NT (concentration in diamonds and clubs): 4♠ should convey the right message (strong suit, interest in slam).

Over a rebid of 3♣, or over 3♦ FSF, 3♥ [to be followed by 4♠.

If I find a fit in either major [which is quite possible], 4NT is what I need to check the KCs.

There should not be any risk: if pard has aces, he knows they are good cards against my 2-suiter. If he has kings, better to avoid the 5-level

[HeartA]

Jlall, on Jan 24 2006, 12:02 PM, said:

AKQJT9 KQTxx Q x.

You open 1S and partner bids 2C, 100% GF. What's your bid and what's your plan in general?

Now that 2C is 100% GF, I would rebid 2H.

[Winstonm]

I bid 3S, Gerber exclusion.

How do I ask for aces without setting a suit; however, on a serious note, if I do bid 3S showing a solid suit, and follow that up with 4N, it should be exclusion for the remaining 6 keycards.

If I bid 4C, I am either young and it's a Friday night or it's a Friday night and I am young. 4C is Ace-asking if you speak Stoli.

Winston

[mikeh]

I admit I had not thought of 4♣, Gerber, but on reflection it seems best. Now, the next problem is after partner bids again: is 5♣ asking for Kings, or do we play sliding (or rolling) Gerber?

[bearmum]

Jlall, on Jan 25 2006, 03:02 AM, said:

AKQJT9 KQTxx Q x.

You open 1S and partner bids 2C, 100% GF. What's your bid and what's your plan in general?

as 2♣ is 100%forcing I can just bid 2♥ --- confident that I can show my length and strength below 3NT
so if it goes 1♠ 2♣ 2♥ 3♣/♦ then I can rebid 3 ♥
and if P then bids ANYTHING except 4♥ I will bid 4♠ (or KCB over 4♠)

[jillybean]

Wait! All this confusion will be ended soon, Justin has offered to run a session on Gerber.

[FrancesHinden]

inquiry, on Jan 24 2006, 08:35 PM, said:

Of course, who in their right mind would open 1♠... don't you guys recongnize a true 2NT opener (6-5, 3 losers) when you see one. I can imagine a quick auction...

I certainly recognise an Acol 2 in spades when I see one...

[Gerben42]

As long as he doesn't run a session on Gerben...

Anyway, of course partner won't "get" 4♣! I'd think it would be Ace asking with ♣ set as trumps btw.

[luke warm]

Kalvan14, on Jan 24 2006, 07:56 PM, said:

2♥, for me [3♥ would be a splinter in support of clubs].

I do not play Gerber in such an auction (Gerber only during NT auctions witout fit; 4♣ here would be a RKC agreeing clubs). IMHO, even if I played Gerber, I'd not use it: if pard has 2 aces, which ones are they? The ♥A is worth 1 1/2 times the ♦ or ♣ ace.

see what you've done you evil EVIL boys

[Free]

We're in a GF auction, lets stay low: 2♥. And I expect partner to stay low as well...

[Gerben42]

On the subject 4♣ in NT auctions, let me list some:

STRONG NT:
1NT - 4♣ = both majors, in combination with transfers.

WEAK NT:
4♣ shows slam interest in ♥, 4♦ in ♠ and 4M is natural.

STAYMAN:
1NT - 2♣ - 2M - 4♣ = Splinter
1NT - 2♣ - 2♦ - 4♣ = Slam interest with long ♣ (usually 4M 6m hands)

2NT OPENING:
2NT - 4♣ = Natural slam try (alternative use: both majors & texas transfers)

[Gerben42]

Without agreement or with tomi2: 3♥, 5 - 5 and extra values. Partner will now bid 3NT.
I will insist on majors by bidding 4♥ now.

[Al_U_Card]

mikeh, on Jan 24 2006, 10:42 PM, said:

I admit I had not thought of 4♣, Gerber, but on reflection it seems best. Now, the next problem is after partner bids again: is 5♣ asking for Kings, or do we play sliding (or rolling) Gerber?

Progressive (sliding/rolling) Gerber is probably the best convention ever (or is it a treatment?). Ensuring that pard is as confused as the opps is the ultimate assurance that you get to play the hand all the time!

[whereagles]

I bid 4♦, which obviously can only be keycard rolling void-gerber

[tysen2k]

Hey, I play against a regular partnership that has the "4♣ always Gerber" agreement. They seem to like it... Not saying they get good results...

[tysen2k]

whereagles, on Jan 25 2006, 09:07 AM, said:

I bid 4♦, which obviously can only be keycard rolling void-gerber 

Shouldn't that be inverted keycard rolling void-gerber in this auction?