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Decisions, decisions 3-suiter troubles

Poll: what are you going to bid? (17 member(s) have cast votes)

what are you going to bid?

  1. pass (3 votes [17.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.65%

  2. 4NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 5C (sorry, cue-bid) (8 votes [47.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.06%

  4. 5D (5 votes [29.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.41%

  5. Other (1 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

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#1 User is offline   Kalvan14 

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Posted 2006-January-22, 05:17

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1S - 1NT* - 2H - 4H - ?
*: forcing 1 round


System is 2/1. I solved your first problem, imposing a re-bid of 2 over the forcing 1NT.
Now partner jumps to game. It's your turn.

Btw, all in agreement with the 2 rebid, or there are any 2 diamonders?
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Posted 2006-January-22, 06:20

;) 5. Understanding that if pard's values are in clubs, even 5 may be too high. Pard, if he is looking at the club ace, should realize that my 5 is a void and bid 5 which I will pass. If he does have one or more of the red kings and the spade ace, he will bid 5, and we will, perforce, be in six which ought to have a good play unless too much is wasted in clubs (e.g. the KQ).

A close second choice after 4 is a pass. Not going down in 5 has a reasonable chance to be a winner on this hand, IMO. e.g.

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Posted 2006-January-22, 18:07

6, if partner has the worst hand we will be on 2 fineses or so. Having all the key cards is just so unlikelly
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Posted 2006-January-22, 18:13

I like 5D which would imply Clubs stopped, too. Partner may take it as bidding out your hand pattern. He will definitely know you are interested in slam.
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Posted 2006-January-23, 06:38

I pass, but that's not least because I have discussed what partner's 4H bid shows. In my 2/1 partnership, we play that
- 3H is a 'courtesy' raise, bid on most hands with 4-card support on the grounds opposition are probably going to bid 3m if we pass 2H anyway.
- 4H is a semi-pre-emptive raise, saying you want to bid game but have no interest in going further. It often has 5-card support.
- 4C/4D show a serious raise to game, and are 'fit' bids as far as possible (i.e. you bid the suit you have length & broken honours in).
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Posted 2006-January-23, 10:56

Lacking Frances's agreements I will make a slam try. I play that 5m is patterning out, not shortness, so over 5D partner should know which cards are good and which are not.

I agree with 2H btw, I cannot imagine a different call without Gazilli/Riton (wouldn't Riton be nice here??).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2006-January-23, 11:14

5D or 6H depending on my mood (or match status).
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Posted 2006-January-23, 18:05

i'd bid 6 ... i can't imagine bidding 4nt, and anything else seems to give the opps too much info
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Posted 2006-January-23, 18:52

I bid 5: I hate bidding on a void as my first cue, since it gets partner to upgrade the K of the suit, when he should be downgrading.

But he will surely not go past 5, or if he does, he will hold the A and the K, and I may be okay anyway.

If he bids 5, I bid 5 so that he knows that I am not gungho: once again, I think that he will not go past 5 without a hand on which I have at least a play: clearly my sequence highlights the suit.

I like (and in some partnerships, play) the treatment Frances described: I think that it is a virtually cost-free treatment. But I assume we are not playing it here.
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Posted 2006-January-23, 19:00

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The cards of North were these.
At my table, the bid was 1-1NT-2-4-6 (we were always silent).
Not a great slam, requiring both red suits 3-2, and the finesse in diamonds. It went one off, with the K off-side.

My team mates stopped in 5, so it was a good hand (sorry, don't have the auction).
Still, I sympathise with S: he has a nice hand once there is a fit in hearts, and his auction had the advantage of not disclosing anything. There are a lot of N hands which fit nicely, and have a great play.

IMHO, a Riton 2 can be advantageous in this particular hand: I am not so sure that it pays giving away a natural 2, in the long run.

I am not in agreement with having a pre-emptive 4 bid either: Oppos were playing 3 as a courtesy raise, and 4 10-12 HCP [did not ask what 4m would have been]. It is the same kind of treatment I use too, with 4m being fit-showing (in these case it would have been nice: 4 is a forcing raise, with clubs values which are not useful). 4, do..
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