[HeartA]

Both Vul, IMP, bidding went:
- - - - - - (Pass) - pass
(1S) - 2S - 3S - ?

[Free]

Pass, obviously...

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

Pass, it depends a lot on the opponents
methods, do they play play 3H as limit
or not.
But even if not, i.e. 3S is invitational,
you know, that 4S will not be cold,
partners michaels cue bid will not be complete
garbage i.e. you do not want partner to
sacrifice, which would be suggested by a 4C bid.

A 4D bid should show longer clubs, because you
force the partnership to the 5 level.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[whereagles]

what a cryptic post who bid what?

[mike777]

Pass for now.

I assume we do not play MIchaels bids with random hcp and random playing strength?

[Al_U_Card]

The 3S bid is usually made on crap with little or no defense against the minors. You have a great minor fit guaranteed and H helpers so pard will have the right hand vul to make game so go for it.

On such an auction, does anyone play that 3NT is not natural but shows a H tolerance such as Hx and an invitational minor suit hand?

[FrancesHinden]

I play 3NT as natural.
I bid it once, it was the right spot (though it wasn't the final contract as they saved over it).

[pclayton]

Jlall, on Jan 11 2006, 08:03 AM, said:

I play both 3N and X as natural (X being penalty) with 4C being pass or correct. I doubt this is optimal, but the situation doesn't come up enough for me to make some agreement and try to remember it.

Well, obviously you need to be making more Michaels calls

[Chamaco]

5 clubs, pass or correct in 5 of a minor

[mike777]

My bet is once again this is a Michaels bid with no accurate range. Interesting to see everyone assumes they know what this specific partner is bidding on.

[Al_U_Card]

I like the garbage or gold type of bid, where, when used, the hand is either strong enuf to take another bid (16+) or if not vul then less than 7-8 hcp.

I will just overcall the higher ranking suit if I can with intermediate values.

Any other options.....?

[inquiry]

Misho has advocated the use of a variable RAPTOR overcall that can include five in the unbid major (in this case hearts) but only with 5 plus in the lowest unbid minor. So in this case (if you play his way, but who besides me does?), the michales cue-bid is specifically hearts and diamonds (others can be in the same situation if playing michaels is always the top two unbid suits).

The question is, if you KNEW you had a five-five or better diamond fit and a five-two or better heart fit, what would you bid? Now 4♣ and 4NT are out the window, and with ten diamonds, surely you will press on to at least 4♦ (I can't imagine pass) and 4♥ with your doubleton spade and doubleton heart honor is not horrble. 4♥ rates to make on 3-3 heart split or 4-2 if partner has the jack (surely he has heart AK or six hearts missing all these diamonds). A natural club trick and AK fifth of hearts might be enough too....

I would like to bid 5♦ in this case on the following theory. If partner is "weak" they will be able to bid 5♠. If partner is "strong" we can make 5♦. If partner is intermedate, he would have overcalled 2♥. But partner bid 2♠ vul missing a lot of red card values, and I doen't expect him to be too weak. However, it is all too true that I have the wrong number of spades, which makes me tempted to bid just 4♦. The problem is, if I bid 4♦ now, I will not let them play 4♠....so I surprise myself and bid 4♥.

If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid?

[Al_U_Card]

inquiry, on Jan 11 2006, 01:47 PM, said:

If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid?

Over 1♠ I play that 3♣ is the Michaels bid showing ♥ and ♦ (2NT is the 2 lower unbid) so I wouldn't have that problem.

[Fluffy]

I Think I would try 4♣, letting partner make another move only if he wishes

[pclayton]

inquiry, on Jan 11 2006, 10:47 AM, said:

Misho has advocated the use of a variable RAPTOR overcall that can include five in the unbid major (in this case hearts) but only with 5 plus in the lowest unbid minor. So in this case (if you play his way, but who besides me does?), the michales cue-bid is specifically hearts and diamonds (others can be in the same situation if playing michaels is always the top two unbid suits).

The question is, if you KNEW you had a five-five or better diamond fit and a five-two or better heart fit, what would you bid? Now 4♣ and 4NT are out the window, and with ten diamonds, surely you will press on to at least 4♦ (I can't imagine pass) and 4♥ with your doubleton spade and doubleton heart honor is not horrble. 4♥ rates to make on 3-3 heart split or 4-2 if partner has the jack  (surely he has heart AK or six hearts missing all these diamonds). A natural club trick and AK fifth of hearts might be enough too....

I would like to bid 5♦ in this case on the following theory. If partner is "weak" they will be able to bid 5♠. If partner is "strong" we can make 5♦. If partner is intermedate, he would have overcalled 2♥. But partner bid 2♠ vul missing a lot of red card values, and I doen't expect him to be too weak. However, it is all too true that I have the wrong number of spades, which makes me tempted to bid just 4♦. The problem is, if I bid 4♦ now, I will not let them play 4♠....so I surprise myself and bid 4♥.

If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid?

Overcall structure works much the same.

We know the suits of our 2 suited overcalls immediately and responder can bounce instead of probe.

[P_Marlowe]

inquiry, on Jan 11 2006, 01:47 PM, said:

If you were 100% certain your partner had diamonds and hearts, what would you bid?

Hi,

if you are 100% sure, that p hast D&H, than the chances that 4S
is cold is increased, because partner could have only singleton in
clubs / they have a double fit in clubs and hearts.

I will still pass, but it is a lot less clear cut.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

Al_U_Card, on Jan 11 2006, 10:23 AM, said:

<snip> 

On such an auction, does anyone play that 3NT is not natural but shows a H tolerance such as Hx and an invitational minor suit hand?

<snip>

If I ever make an agreement about 3NT in this specific case,
then 3NT would show longer diamonds then clubs, i.e. sugesting
a sacrificie against 4S in diamond but not in clubs.

With kind regards
Marlowe