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dealer N

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How do you guys bid 7D? With a system I've desined I bid it through a strong 1C-opening, although ops intervene with 1S. But in the system I usually play, I don't think I can bid it...

[luke warm]

you devised one too? ... in mine, 2nt would show 5/5 or better in minors.. it also is a strong club system.. it'd go (if no interference):

2NT : 3D
5S* : 6H
7D

* is XRKC

[the hog]

If your 2N opening is 5/5 in the minors, why is 3D not to play?

[luke warm]

for the same reason i shouldn't either post or play before bed.. you're right of course, thanks for pointing that out

[inquiry]

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Moscito with relays would make short work of this one. But, the rest of us must start north with 1D. With such long diamonds, and poor spades, at imps I would bid 2D with south hand. I play CRISS-CROSS so this 2D is 100% game force.

1D 2D
3S 4C 3S = splinter, 4C = cue
4S 4N 4S = void, 4NT = RKCB
5S 7D 5S = two without Queen
Pass

7D because partner has shown minor ACES, he might have Diamond JACK, but that is only 9 hcp. He still needs either heart king, club king, or heart JACK and club queen or club QUEEN and JACK for his opening bid. AT the very worse it will be on a hook in hearts (partner has jack) or clubs (partner AQJ) and is probably laydown.

At MP, I would respond 1S instead of 2D. After the 1S response, it is more difficult to bid the grand slam, but not impossible. Here are a couple example auctions.

1D 1S
2C 2H (2H = fourth suit forcing)
3C 3D (3C= five+ clubs) (3D = gf, slam try)
4S 4NT (4S=splinter)(4NT = blackwood)
5N 7D (5N = two aces and a void, clearly in S)
Pass (same 7D logic as above)

Alternatively...

1D 1S
2C 2H (2H = fourth suit forcing)
3H 4N (3H = something in hearts)(4NT = rkcb)
5N 7D (5N = two keycards and void)
Pass

[keylime]

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To satisfy the KLP fans who are clamoring for an auction to this great hand:

Auction 1 (auction my students came up with)
2NT (5-5 minors, 10-15) - 4D (RKC for Diamonds, 1430)
5S (3 keycards, spade void, asks partner to bid 7 with both honors) - 7D

Simple and to the point - partner knows clubs are working cards because opener can not have a good three card major suit fragment, otherwise they are opening it differently.

Auction 2 (my preferred auction)

1D (can be short) - 2D (forcing one, bypass major to show values)
3C (loud inference, 5-5 or 6-5 minor hand, towards the top) - 4D (RKC)
5S ( 3 kcs, spade void, asks partner for more) - 6C (club help for GS)
7D (got the clubs, no worries)

My preferred auction takes into account partner's chance of holding 5 hearts to promote a double fit, and thusly can break out 6 Ace RKCB 1430 early on to stay out of a poor slam.

Either way, a nice hand indeed - good way to start the morning.

D.

[inquiry]

Auction 1 (auction my students came up with)
2NT (5-5 minors, 10-15) - 4D (RKC for Diamonds, 1430)
5S (3 keycards, spade void, asks partner to bid 7 with both honors) - 7D

Hi Dwayne, as you know, I have printed out and read your KLp notes. This first auction is simple and to the point, but I wonder if 4D as RKB is the best use of this jump. After all, one advantage of a 2NT opening bid to show both minors is to allow preemption of the auction.

Now... in normal Blackwood, I know that jump to slam to is one key card and void, and 5NT is two keycard and a void, and 6x (Below our suit) is three keycards and a void. so I assume... over this 4D
4H = 0/3
4S = 1/4
4N = 2 without
5C = 2 with
5D = what? Two with a void?
5H = 3 with heart void
5S = 3 with spade void...

ok, easy enough. But you have responded as if two suit agreement. After the leap to 4D, why are you using two suit agreement?


1D (can be short) - 2D (forcing one, bypass major to show values)
3C (loud inference, 5-5 or 6-5 minor hand, towards the top) - 4D (RKC)
5S ( 3 kcs, spade void, asks partner for more) - 6C (club help for GS)
7D (got the clubs, no worries)

The second auction is much more to my liking. The jump to 4D is clear and easy. This is also something that is the way I would bid it on 1D-1S; 3C-4D... but again, I wonder why you use two suit agreement here? I love two suit agreement key card blackwood, but I require one hand to open 1NT and the other to show two suits, or both suits to be bid and raised.

[mishovnbg]

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dealer N

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How do you guys bid 7D? With a system I've desined I bid it through a strong 1C-opening, although ops intervene with 1S. But in the system I usually play, I don't think I can bid it...

NTC

1. Without intervention:

1DI: 10-17hcp nat or weak NT - 2CL: 12+hcp, relay
2HE: 4+SP(inverted majors) - 2NT: 14+hcp, relay
3CL: 10-13hcp(min) - 3DI: 16+hcp, relay
3SP: s/v CL, nat DI suit - 4CL: NAB (DI,SP,HE,CL)
4HE: C DI, 0/AK SP - 4SP: NAB
5DI: C HE, void CL(cant AK SP) - 5HE NAB
5NT: 1A of 2 ( DI and HE ) - 7DI: Know: 6+DI-4SP-3-HE-0CL, KDI, AHE - enough for grand.

2. With 1SP intervention:

1DI:(same) - (1SP) - 2SP: 10+hcp, 5+DI, no 4HE
4CL: 10-13hcp, nat DI suit, Spl - 4SP: C SP, no C HE, cue
4NT: Even CK, C HE - 5HE: Q HE, grand try
( can bid it without Q HE
to receive A SP as cue)
6CL: void CL, no A SP - 7DI: Know: 6+DI- 4HE or 4SP ( can be 4450 or 7+DI ), void CL, A HE + K DI ( 2 KC )

Misho

[inquiry]

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dealer N

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How do you guys bid 7D? With a system I've desined I bid it through a strong 1C-opening, although ops intervene with 1S. But in the system I usually play, I don't think I can bid it...

NTC

1. Without intervention:

1DI: 10-17hcp nat or weak NT - 2CL: 12+hcp, relay
2HE: 4+SP(inverted majors) - 2NT: 14+hcp, relay
3CL: 10-13hcp(min) - 3DI: 16+hcp, relay
3SP: s/v CL, nat DI suit - 4CL: NAB (DI,SP,HE,CL)
4HE: C DI, 0/AK SP - 4SP: NAB
5DI: C HE, void CL(cant AK SP) - 5HE NAB
5NT: 1A of 2 ( DI and HE ) - 7DI: Know: 6+DI-4SP-3-HE-0CL, KDI, AHE - enough for grand.

2. With 1SP intervention:

1DI:(same) - (1SP) - 2SP: 10+hcp, 5+DI
4CL: 10-13hcp, nat DI suit, Spl - 4SP: C SP, no C HE, cue
4NT: Even CK, C HE - 5HE: Q HE, grand try
( can bid it without Q HE
to receive A SP as cue)
6CL: void CL, no A SP - 7DI: Know: 6+DI- 4HE or 4SP ( can be 4450 ), void CL, A HE + K DI ( 2 KC )
Misho

Very nice auction. It is good to have these example hands when going over NTC notes. Now, can you bid it with north opening instead of south?

Ben

[keylime]

This is a pretty good question - I posed this hand to my students to see not just if they could get to the grand, but HOW...it was a lesson about judgement and using the tools correctly to get to where they were going.

Over the 2NT opening, pretty much 3 of the minor is to play. 3 of the major is forcing, seeking a 3 card major fragment from opener. 3NT is natural. However, 4C/D direct over 2NT can be interpreted one of two ways - either preemptive or keycard asking. To be frank, the simulations are pretty split down the middle on whether or not to go one way or the other - with my student they treat it as keycard asking (aids in the memory work as you can understand), privately, however I reserve 4H/S as RKC for C/D and use 4C/D as preemptive jumps.

Auction 1 (auction my students came up with)
2NT (5-5 minors, 10-15) - 4D (RKC for Diamonds, 1430)
5S (3 keycards, spade void, asks partner to bid 7 with both honors) - 7D

With regards to the implication about two suit agreement - KLP uses jumps as showing specifically three keycards and a working void AND couples GSF into the mix. It's an all purpose bid. I have never liked the more common methods because in my eyes, three are better than two.

1D (can be short) - 2D (forcing one, bypass major to show values)
3C (loud inference, 5-5 or 6-5 minor hand, towards the top) - 4D (RKC)
5S ( 3 kcs, spade void, asks partner for more) - 6C (club help for GS)
7D (got the clubs, no worries)

Now the second auction - I'm happy you like it, gotten about 3 e-mails saying they love it...

6 Ace RKCB 1430 - it as you know it based on the principle of double fits. KLP uses a lot of inference within the structure. If my partner happens to have for me 5 hearts and diamonds, game is pretty much certain. In the standard use a jump to 4NT asks for both suits...

However, KLP takes this concept and brings it forward. Let's say we have an auction like this:

1H - 1S
2S - 3H

We know there's a double fit here obviously. However, what happens if someone wants to make a keycard ask? KLP has a golden rule: When there exists a double fit, the next immediate bid, whether it's a suit agreed to, or the next step above the agreement (if using the forcing club structure, transfer positive, acceptance, 2nd bid, agreement, and so on), that bid is 6 Ace RKCB 1430. Due to this understanding, I can not only get all 8 keycards (4 aces, two kings, two queens) BUT I can avoid the six level (worse case, have played at five, earned imps because we stayed out of a poor slam). ALSO, we use fragment bids as well by bidding the 2nd bid above asks for fragments and states that they are very interested in grand.

[mishovnbg]

Sorry Ben and all I missed "dealer N"!

dealer N

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NTC

1. Without intervention:

1DI: 10-17hcp nat or weak NT - 1HE: 6-12/15+hcp, 4+ SP
3CL: 13-15hcp, 5+DI-5+CL good- 3HE: 4th, 10+hcp
3NT: stopper like in HE - 4DI: slam try, fit DI
(due to limited hand,
possible only with
good distribution
and long DI suit)
4SP: C SP, no C HE - 4NT: even KC, C HE
5HE: Q HE, grand try - 6CL: K/S/V CL, no A SP
7DI: Know: 6+DI-4SP ( can be 4450 ), A HE, K DI ( 2 KC, no A SP ) - enough for grand.

2. With 1SP intervention:

1DI:(same) - (1SP) - 2SP: 10+hcp, 5+DI, no 4HE
4SP: exp. RKCB, void SP - 5NT: even KC, side void
(C HE sure, because
responder have 10+HCP
and cant have much in SP)
7DI: easy to bid with 1 SP intervention

Misho

[hrothgar]

This one is tricky for MOSCITO, since there are a lot of choices regarding the "correct" bidding sequence. The big question is whether South should chose to open 1H (promising 4+ Spades) or 1S (promising 4+ Diamonds and an unbalanced hand) I lean towards 1S, sinply because of the radical disparity in suit quality. Here is my best guess at the auction sans interference:

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1S - 1N (1S = 4+ Diamonds, 1N = Relay)
2S - 2N (2S = 6+ Diamonds and 4 Spades, 2N = Relay)
3H - 4C (4C = RKCB in Diamonds)
4N - 5C (4N = 2 key cards + trump Queen, 5C = control ask in Spades)
5S - 7D (5H = AK of Spades or Queen of Spades)

With North Opening, the major question is whether or not to open a strong club.
The hand is strong enough, however, I prefer to be able to show both my minors naturally)

1S - 1N (1S = 4+ Diamonds, 1N = Relay)
2C - 2H (2C = Diamonds and Clubs, 2H = Relay)
2N - 3C (2N = 5+/5+ in the minors, 3C = Relay)
3D - 3H (3D = high shortage, 3H = relay)
3N - 4H (3N = 3055 shape, 4D = RKCB in Diamonds)
5C - 5H (5C = Two Aces, no Queen, 5H = Control ask in Clubs)
5N - 7D (5N = AK of CLubs or Q of Clubs)