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Decent 6-4

Poll: Your rebid after a forcing NT (39 member(s) have cast votes)

Your rebid after a forcing NT

  1. 2 Diamonds (19 votes [48.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 48.72%

  2. 2 Hearts (10 votes [25.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.64%

  3. 3 Hearts (9 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  4. Other (1 votes [2.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.56%

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#1 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2006-January-11, 08:51

NV, IMPs.

Scoring: IMP


Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid?
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:02

pclayton, on Jan 11 2006, 09:51 AM, said:

NV, IMPs.

Scoring: IMP


Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid?

2h wtp

Minimum hand what's the problem? 14 hcp, 6 card suit, 3QT, unbalanced hand, can hardly have less.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:02

There's smaller chance for 2♦ to be passed by partner than it is for 2♥.

It depends what 1NT could be. I have a nice shape with only 5 losers, so the final destination seems to be 4♥. If partner's hand is limited, then I could well bid them right away, so 4♥ is my second choice, but we'll lose the chance of finding a ♦ slam.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:07

Close.

2H. Not quite good enough for 3. 2D is out - hearts is where I live.

There are days I would bid 3, but I'm having the other kind of day :P

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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:19

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hearts is where I live.


But where does partner live?

I bid 2♦ and raise a 2♥ rebid from partner to 3.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 09:31

I also bid 2♦ which has less chance to be passed.

I raise 2♥ rebid to 3♥

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Posted 2006-January-11, 12:11

Too close to call: it depends how light we open. I might rebid 2♥, or I might rebid 2♦ intending to raise 2♥ to three.

I don't think it's relevant that 2♦ is less likely to be passed. The only question to consider is whether we're strong enough to raise to 3♥ after 1♥:1NT,2♦:2♥. If not then we should rebid 2♥ rather than 2♦.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 12:27

mike777, on Jan 11 2006, 05:02 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jan 11 2006, 09:51 AM, said:

NV, IMPs.

Dealer: South
Vul: None
Scoring: IMP
♠ x
♥ AKJTxx
♦ Qxxx
♣ Ax
 


Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid?

2h wtp

Minimum hand what's the problem? 14 hcp, 6 card suit, 3QT, unbalanced hand, can hardly have less.

It depends on your opening style, of course. I would definitely open 1♥ if the ♥K were a small one. I would open ♠x ♥KJTxxx ♦QTxx ♣Ax with many partners. So I can't rebid 2♥ with an ace more, and would follow the Gerben-plan (2♦ then 3♥). I expect partner to move to 2♥ with most hands that have 2-4 in the red suits.

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Posted 2006-January-11, 12:43

Wow - I just ran this hand through K and R and it came out at 18.25 points. :P
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Posted 2006-January-11, 13:04

Too strong for a 2♥ rebid.

Playing what I play, I would rebid 2♣ (riton 2♣) showing a variety of possible good hands, the expected reply (but not forced) by partner is 2♦. I will then rebid 2♥ to show this hand. If partner instead rebids 2♥ over 2♣ I will pass.

Not playing Riton 2♣ (as in this case), I will follow the advice of malucy in this forum and rebid 2♦ which is almost never passed (and if it is passed here, it is likely to be right). To see mike's discussion of rebidding over forcing 1NT, check out these old links.

6 card Majors after 1NT forcing?

Requirements for Rebids After (1M-1N)

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Posted 2006-January-11, 13:12

I would rather bid 3♥ than 2. But it is a 2♦ for me.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 13:35

2D, I do not even need the Queen in diamond, wtp :P

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Posted 2006-January-11, 14:13

joker_gib, on Jan 11 2006, 10:31 AM, said:

I also bid 2♦ which has less chance to be passed.
I raise 2♥ rebid to 3♥

count me in on raising the H pref. to 3 to invite
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Posted 2006-January-11, 14:42

cherdano, on Jan 11 2006, 01:27 PM, said:

mike777, on Jan 11 2006, 05:02 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jan 11 2006, 09:51 AM, said:

NV, IMPs.

<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> South </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> x </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AKJTxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Qxxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> Ax </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

Discussed this hand with Justin yesterday after the BBO Juniors. The opps are silent. You open 1♥ and pard bids a forcing NT. Your rebid?

2h wtp

Minimum hand what's the problem? 14 hcp, 6 card suit, 3QT, unbalanced hand, can hardly have less.

It depends on your opening style, of course. I would definitely open 1♥ if the ♥K were a small one. I would open ♠x ♥KJTxxx ♦QTxx ♣Ax with many partners. So I can't rebid 2♥ with an ace more, and would follow the Gerben-plan (2♦ then 3♥). I expect partner to move to 2♥ with most hands that have 2-4 in the red suits.

Arend

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typical nv weak 2h opener

Will let the expert players who play the hands better open 1h.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 15:16

I thought this was a clear 3H bid, but maybe I've been playing strong club for too long. My second choice was 2D, since I think there's too much here for a simple 2H rebid
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Posted 2006-January-11, 15:32

Well I had my doubts.....

I gave this hand to Chris Larsen a few minutes ago and it was an automatic 3♥ call for him.

He would rather "die" than bid 2♦ on a hand like this. His exact words.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 15:37

This may sound weird, but 2C.

This, of course, requires agreements and discussion. The idea (especially at IMP's) is that 2C is semi-forcing and semi-artificial. Especially here (1+). True, 2D shows 4+, which I have, but I want to use 2C as a temporizing bid, to allow me to do something neat later.

If partner bids 2D next, I jump to 3H, which should show (if you assume my premise) a sort of fit-showing jump. Partner may expect 1633, which is fine.

If partner bids 2H, I dilike my diamonds now. However, this is an odd development, with no 1S response. Hence, I know partner to probably not have three spades with values there (he should lie on weakish hands). So, I expect a "fit" with clubs, strangely useful opposite my nice doubleton and expected diamond problem. So, I raise/invite.

If partner bid 2S (great club support), this is trouble. I suppose I will then bid 3NT and cross my fingers.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 15:57

To bid 2nd suit has been my priority. This is an easy 2D.
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Posted 2006-January-11, 15:59

2D lots of good things can happen yet. I do not consider this a minimum hand but it is not a 3H bid. I may have 7 tricks but this does not qualify as a jump rebid.

Look how happy I will be if partner bids 2S over 2D, I may find a slam and will definetly play a game.
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Posted 2006-January-12, 12:02

mcphee, on Jan 11 2006, 04:59 PM, said:

2D lots of good things can happen yet. I do not consider this a minimum hand but it is not a 3H bid. I may have 7 tricks but this does not qualify as a jump rebid.

Look how happy I will be if partner bids 2S over 2D, I may find a slam and will definetly play a game.

Yes!
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