[inquiry]

awm, on Jan 6 2006, 02:22 PM, said:

On the other hand, the loss of natural preempts seems too high a price to pay for Misiry to me; if I can't even bump my partner's transfer preempts with four-card support (as Inquiry suggests not to in this example) you can see where there might be issues.

I suggested not raising ME when I preempt with this hand. But this is not a function of misiry. The same would apply with partner when I open a natural 3♥ preempt. If you feel 4♥ is the right bid with this hand, then by all means, bid it over a 3♦ Misiry or 3♥ natural preempt. Bidding only 3♥ is not a function of Misiry per se.

[Cascade]

1♦ 1♥
3♣ 3♦
4♠* 5♦ *exclusion Roman Key Card
7♦

This would work for us.

I hate the 3NT bid in the given auction. With two Aces opposite a GF you must cooperate for slam or at least give partner a chance to bid on. if partner is just interested in a stopper like J9xx for 3NT then he can bid 3♠ 4th suit forcing for us to find 3NT.

[Cascade]

Whoops I see others have already posted this auction. Teach me for not reading the thread when I wake up in the morning.

[Fluffy]

I'm probably biased for knowing both hands, maybe something like...

1♦-1♥
3♣-3♦
5♠

[BillFinque]

Our parthership would bid:

1 C! 1 S!
2 D! 3 C!
3 H! 4 C!
7 D

1 C (16+, point light)
1 S (transfer to NT, GF, from Keylime Precision)
2 D (real suit, ask support)
3 C (Qxx or better & 4+ controls, must ave A Ds and at least an A or 2 Ks)
3 H (asks Aces, CRASH relay, Keylime note)
4 C (2 As of the same color, Viking)
7 D (every thing is covered)

Got lucky with the 2 diamond bid

[FrancesHinden]

I also hate the 3D bid.
I don't play exclusion.
I also play fairly strict ace cue-bidding before king (other than in partner's suit).

This is another hand where you don't need complicated agreements about exclusion, as long as you have some way of distinguishing your responses to GSF.

1♦ 1♥
3♣ 3♦
4♣ 4♥
5NT 6♣
7♦

6♣ = 1 top honour out of 3

(p.s. if you playing Acol 2s, you can open it 2D)

Without any methods at all it's a bit tougher, but after 4 hearts, you could continue...

4♠ 5♦
6♣

and responder might get the message that the ace of diamonds is a good card.

[Impact]

Although i use relay methods, I prefer to use 4Nt opening for extreme minor 2 suiters with 3 or fewer losers....

so 4NT 5H (at least 2 covers naming the Major A and 1 cover guranteed working)
7C 7D


...not hard but could have been wrong eg opener has doubleton S small and now we are committed to 6minor opposite same hand with blueprint for defence....win some (or is that winsome?) lose some...

[luke warm]

with relay this goes

1c : 1nt (9+, balanced)
2c : 2h (asking : 44(32))
2s : 3c (4=4=3=2)
3d : 3nt (cab : 4 controls)
4c : 4d (scan : nada in spades)
7d

if he has 4 controls, they have to be the red aces

[kenrexford]

Strange hand for it, but this would be my auction, with my system:

2D (14-16 HCP, at least 9 cards in the minors, (5-4/4-5)+
3NT (to play, expecting few fireworks)
4S (odd, but Exclusion BW)
5D (two)
6S (pick the minor)
7D

[Kalvan14]

3NT (asking for specific A) - 4NT - 2A same color - 7♦

[HeartA]

mikeh, on Jan 6 2006, 11:51 AM, said:

1♦  1♥
3♣  3♦
4♠  5♦
7♦

4♠ is exclusion keycard: there is no response that you cannot handle, so there is no need to delay matters further. You get the magic 2 keycard response and 7♦ has to be reasonable.

This is the sequence in my mind. Or if 3D is week, then 4D-4S and same after that.

[Cascade]

luke warm, on Jan 9 2006, 03:32 PM, said:

with relay this goes

1c : 1nt (9+, balanced)
2c : 2h (asking : 44(32))
2s : 3c (4=4=3=2)
3d : 3nt (cab : 4 controls)
4c : 4d (scan : nada in spades)
7d

if he has 4 controls, they have to be the red aces

Depending on your methods when scanning for controls this is a lucky hand for relay. The four controls could be ♦A and ♥K and ♠K. You might not be able to distinguish.

I wouldn't be able to tell that hand from ♦A ♥A ♠Q in my normal relay partnership.

We would show four controls and then honour in spades, hearts and diamonds with both hands.

With the actual hand we deny in spades and the four controls can be easily read for the two Aces.

[luke warm]

well yes, that's true... but that's the hand given, and that's the way it would be bid

[Gerben42]

Modified Fantunes:

1♦ (14+ natural)
- 1♥* (4+♠)
1NT* (18+ any)
- 2♣ (GF asking bid)
3♣ (natural)
- 3♦ (fit)
4♠ (xrkcb)
- 5♦ (2 without)
7♦ (thanks!)