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How many? spades to open.

Poll: What is your opening bid? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your opening bid?

  1. 1S (13 votes [36.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.11%

  2. 2S (2 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  3. 3S (6 votes [16.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.67%

  4. 4S (15 votes [41.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.67%

  5. other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Limey_p 

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Posted 2005-December-29, 17:28

Scoring: MP

You are south, two passes to you.
What is your opening bid?
If it matters, you play "meckwell envy" - 1C=16+, 5 card majors (but maybe 4 in 3rd seat), weak twos.
It is the local club, so you may assume the opponents are average club players. or perhaps bbo experts :P
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Posted 2005-December-29, 17:41

4S. The colors are right and my hand has great offensive potential. Partner may have misfitting junk with defensive values, but that's life. If he has nothing at all it will be a good save, if he has a little something we might make.
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Posted 2005-December-29, 17:59

3S
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Posted 2005-December-29, 18:04

Technically the right bid to me seems to be 3♠ in 3rd, and 1♠ in 1st/2nd position, but I too am willing to put maximum pressure upon opps, and bid 4.

Opps are likely to have a game, and they could miss a slam, or bid a non-existing one when their bidding space is stolen. Besides, what better vulnerability could there be?
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Posted 2005-December-29, 18:25

4♠, fast arrival :P
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Posted 2005-December-29, 18:38

3♠, because it is matchpoints.

If I bid 4♠, I may end up being doubled for 300-500 when had I bid 3♠ they may have played a minor partial or a failing 3N or a failing 4♥ or passed me out.

Also, if I bid 3♠ and they double or overcall, partner will go to 4 on some of the hands where I want to be in 4 anyway.

My main fear is a 3N overcall, making, when 4♠ would be 300-500. At imps I bid 4♠.
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Posted 2005-December-29, 19:10

1♠.

2 reasons. Its spades and I have a heart fragment. Why not see if we actually have a game before we bid it? Last time I checked there was an incentive in MPs to try for a plus score.

Are we really trying to preempt them out of their 5 of a minor?
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Posted 2005-December-29, 23:49

Granting the greater wisdom of those above, I thought 3♠ was sufficient and that was my vote. I would echo Mikeh's argument that partner can make the move to 4♠ and in fact with our heart holding, it may even be right to defend 4♥. However, I've changed my mind and now agree with 4♠. The very same heart holding suggests you will never get to defend 4♥ in any event since partner's presumed shortness will usually lead him/her to raise to 4♠ over 4♥ with almost any hand at this vulnerability. So, why not get there now?

Just my 2 cents.
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Posted 2005-December-30, 00:48

1S. Not 3S as this could be much weaker in this seat at this vulnerability, though this would be my second choice. The problem with 3S is that you "may" have 4 on opposite a perfect minimum and have no way of discovering this.

Definitely not 2 or 4. 4S is a complete roll of the dice and 2S is a nothing bid.
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Posted 2005-December-30, 01:02

4♠ for me.

Both 2♠ and 3♠ seem to misdescribe the hand at these colors. Partner will not expect this many tricks at favorable for either call. So it's either 1♠ or 4♠ or maybe pass.

After opening 1♠, if opponents compete, are you going to sell to a contract below 4♠? I don't think I would. Are you going to let partner declare a game other than 4♠? I don't think I would do this either. And if partner bids 1NT, how many spades will you bid at second turn? Seems like 2♠ understates the trick potential but 3♠ is pretty likely to propel the partnership into a game anyway. Seems like most roads here lead to 4♠, so I will bid it directly and try to discourage partner from getting us overboard.
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Posted 2005-December-30, 01:25

4♠ for me too for all the reasons listed above.
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Posted 2005-December-30, 02:32

1♠ or 4♠ depending on my score, opponents, .....

But I prefer 1♠ in 3rd seat.

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Posted 2005-December-30, 03:03

3S for me. Enough heart defense to stay low.
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Posted 2005-December-30, 03:17

4♠, thanks.

For the 1♠-party: what are you going to bid after 1♠-(P)-1N?
And after 1♠-(X)-1N?

My losers are ok for the vulnerability; I'd love to hold the ♠J too, but maybe pard will have it singleton ;)
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Posted 2005-December-30, 07:54

4S.

Because I envy Meckwell.

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Posted 2005-December-30, 14:32

Rebound, on Dec 30 2005, 08:49 AM, said:

The very same heart holding suggests you will never get to defend 4♥

Actually you could enjoy defending even 5♥ if opps hearts are 4:4, and LHO doubles 4♠ as a takeout. :)
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Posted 2005-December-30, 14:42

4 Spades.

If I was in 1st, 2nd or 4th seat I would open with 3 spades.

In 3rd seat and with the colours right, I want to put maximum pressure on 4th seat if he is waiting with a medium hand with good suits in the minors. This may turn out bad if partner has defensive values in the minor suits, but as Justin said "That's life". In any case, I like to have an aggressive preemptive style to make the opponents make the last guess.

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Posted 2005-December-30, 16:49

3♠ should be enough because chances are opps don't have hearts.

Of course, if they bid 3NT you'd be a bit sorry you didn't open 4♠ :)
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Posted 2005-December-31, 05:51

4S, what else?

It depends a lot on your agreements,
what you will show, if you open 1S
and compete to 3S, ... you will compete?

Personnally I hate auctions
1S - ...
2S - ...
3S - ...
4S - ...

Marlowe
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Posted 2005-December-31, 09:41

I would open 1♠ on first or second, 3rd position I would put some random on the bid, can bid anything but 2.
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