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Pass or compete? Bad distribution and nice aces

#1 User is offline   Kalvan14 

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Posted 2005-December-27, 07:53

Scoring: MP

(1S)-X-(P)-2H-(2S)-P-(P)-?


Partner guarantees 4 hearts, or a very strong hand.



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Posted 2005-December-27, 08:19

If partner guaranteed 4 hearts I would just bid 3H. Not having that unusual agreement I would X which shows this hand perfectly and caters to 23(53) or 13(54).
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Posted 2005-December-27, 09:45

So if pard 'guarantees' 4, can I make a 2 call on 3?........

Even then I still double, if its interpreted as 'action'. Doesn't look like the hand to bid 3 over 3 with this ugly shape. But I'm not selling out to 2, and I want to give pard the option of passing, especially if he made one of those 3=4=3=3 doubles that I HATE :)
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Posted 2005-December-27, 11:08

Double.

The only concern for partner at first is a 3-card heart suit but the double rectifies that - if I have enough to double I could have found a better bid that 2H on a 3-bagger.

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Posted 2005-December-27, 18:01

Ok, you double and the bidding goes:

(1S)-X-(P)-2H-(2S)-P-(P)-X-(P)-3H-(P)-P-(3S)-P-(P)-?

Apparently, LHO found a couple of spades on the floor :P

BTW, we play very aggressive t/o doubles with the right shape, but it is pretty unusual to double 1 without 4 cards in hearts and without a clear rebidding.
Therefore, I would assume that pard is 99% with 4 hearts.

2nd BTW :lol: : the game is MP - not IMP. I ticked the wrong line.
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Posted 2005-December-27, 20:33

it's a dangerous marginal competition because of isn't broken ,and easy 3 making with AKTxxxx+KQJ.IF i wanna a top score, i would take a risk to double again,it is 50% rate of success only since opp has certain 8 tricks based on west's 2minor Ace.
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Posted 2005-December-27, 22:51

Pard has heard my double and LHO's 3 call. Do I have anything undisclosed? Not really.

Pass and wait for the lead (hopefully not a heart from a broken sequence).

SO whats the entire hand here? I'm interested - especially on what pard made a TOx on.
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Posted 2005-December-28, 10:49

Kalvan14, on Dec 27 2005, 07:01 PM, said:

Ok, you double and the bidding goes:

(1S)-X-(P)-2H-(2S)-P-(P)-X-(P)-3H-(P)-P-(3S)-P-(P)-?

Apparently, LHO found a couple of spades on the floor  :blink:

BTW, we play very aggressive t/o doubles with the right shape, but it is pretty unusual to double 1 without 4 cards in hearts and without a clear rebidding.
Therefore, I would assume that pard is 99% with 4 hearts.

2nd BTW  :lol: : the game is MP - not IMP. I ticked the wrong line.

Pass. I've bid the entire value of my hand. No guarantee that it is our hand. Maybe partner has made a light double others didn't make and many played at 2S. Maybe our action kept them from game. Regardless, I've told my story and I'm sticking to it. ;)

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Posted 2005-December-28, 12:42

After 2: if you play double as extras here, this is an obvious time to make that bid. This double guarantees 4 hearts, by the way (otherwise would have bid 1NT the previous round).

After 3: pass, wtp?
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Posted 2005-December-28, 17:18

Scoring: MP

(1S)-X-(P)-2H-(2S)-P-(P)-X-(P)-3H-(P)-P-(3S)-P-(P)-X- allP


I doubled again (and this is clearly an action double): at MP, it pays to be somehow aggressive. As I expected, W did not have her bid, but was simply in love with her spades. Pard was minimum and balanced: again the bidding had shown (or at least hinted) to this.

The contract was set by 2 tricks, which means that there was some breathing space, and we were not really hanging from a cliff with our nails.
3 makes, btw.
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Posted 2005-December-29, 13:18

Kalvan, how does 3 make (without some error by the defense)? The defense against 3 is really easy playing Obvious Shift. Q lead, 10 by West asking for a shift. Declarer must duck. Now 3 rounds of spades tapping the closed hand - good luck making 9 tricks.

I don't think it can be made even with 3 rounds of spades initially.

Nice defense against 3 by the way. I think you were fortunate that declarer didn't have the 7th spade as advertised.
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Posted 2005-December-29, 19:48

Phil,
Q as lead, and shif to (declarer plays low). Now spade and spade again.

Ruff in dummy with J (I expect that RHO does not overruff), the A, K and x in trumps. Win the diamond return, draw last trump and finesse in clubs: 4 hearts + 4 clubs + A= 9 tricks.
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