[Winstonm]

Jlall, on Dec 29 2005, 06:51 PM, said:

Winstonm, on Dec 29 2005, 12:21 PM, said:

All in all, I'd rather give the opponents these headaches instead of my pard.

depends who your pard is

Well, I didn't know I was playing with you.

Winston

[FrancesHinden]

For me I'd be looking for 6 or 7 over a 5C pre-empt. I wouldn't be thinking of 6NT, I'd expect partner to have something resembling

-
x
Kxxx
QJxxxxxx

to have anything resembling his call.

(in fact, my partnerships don't play 1S - 2NT for the minors, so partner could be 0157 as well)

If partner's hand is consistent with your style, then perhaps you should have said you don't play normal pre-empts.

[Fluffy]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 30 2005, 10:55 AM, said:

For me I'd be looking for 6 or 7 over a 5C pre-empt. I wouldn't be thinking of 6NT, I'd expect partner to have something resembling

-
x
Kxxx
QJxxxxxx

to have anything resembling his call.

Hehe, almost what I sais except I expected 5♦ and 7♣

[Kalvan14]

FrancesHinden, on Dec 30 2005, 05:55 AM, said:

For me I'd be looking for 6 or 7 over a 5C pre-empt. I wouldn't be thinking of 6NT, I'd expect partner to have something resembling

-
x
Kxxx
QJxxxxxx

to have anything resembling his call.

(in fact, my partnerships don't play 1S - 2NT for the minors, so partner could be 0157 as well)

If partner's hand is consistent with your style, then perhaps you should have said you don't play normal pre-empts.

Why should this hand be better than the one my pard had? You are in any case committed to play clubs (I'd really like to see a 5♦ coming up, shadows of B/L ). If it might have been even a 0-1-5-7, I can only shudder.

We play reasonably aggreessive pre-empts, no belt-and-suspenders type: this I said. 3♣ would be a gross understatement for his hand, and 4♣ one of those wishy-washy bids which just push oppos to game.

Btw, I'd like to know what is a definition of "normal pre-empt" for the general case, and for a specific auction 1M-5m. Pls. refrain from explaining the rule of 2 & 3.

[FrancesHinden]

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Why should this hand be better than the one my pard had?

Difficult to answer without stating the obvious: because it has enormously more playing strength.

As a general comment: 4C is (in general) not just a wishy-washy bid that just pushes the opponents into game. It takes away a lot of room for investigation and it allows partner to save over their game (or slam). There's another thread here where there's discussion of the right call after (2C) P (2D) and a few people have commented that bidding 2H is a waste of time because it doesn't pre-empt. No, it doesn't, but it's not a waste of time because (on that hand) it gets the right lead, and - in general - it does allow partner to raise.

[Flame]

6C and 6NT makes ???
This atleast deserve an explanation. Do you mean you will make 3 hearts finnesing the QJ twice then you will take all the clubs out, and then play the hearts from your hand to squeese west on spade and diamonds ?

[Kalvan14]

FrancesHinden, on Jan 1 2006, 05:59 AM, said:

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Why should this hand be better than the one my pard had?

Difficult to answer without stating the obvious: because it has enormously more playing strength.

As a general comment: 4C is (in general) not just a wishy-washy bid that just pushes the opponents into game. It takes away a lot of room for investigation and it allows partner to save over their game (or slam). There's another thread here where there's discussion of the right call after (2C) P (2D) and a few people have commented that bidding 2H is a waste of time because it doesn't pre-empt. No, it doesn't, but it's not a waste of time because (on that hand) it gets the right lead, and - in general - it does allow partner to raise.

I'm not working for the missionary society of aggressive pre-empts.
Yoy are welcome to play the style which better suits you, as i assume that I am free to play the style that better suits me (I have to remark that you have not answered my question about "standard" pre-empts, though).

To reply to your general remark, I remain of the opinion that 4m is very seldom an effective pre-empt.

[Kalvan14]

Flame, on Jan 1 2006, 06:34 AM, said:

6C and 6NT makes ???
This atleast deserve an explanation. Do you mean you will make 3 hearts finnesing the QJ twice then you will take all the clubs out, and then play the hearts from your hand to squeese west on spade and diamonds ?

Against 6N, W is endplayed on the opening lead. A diamond or a spade present immediately the 12th trick, and a heart lead just delays the stripping squeeze, and the final endplay.

Against 6♣, the ony defense id E leading T♠.