[adhoc3]

9 9876 xx KQJxxx

Your PD opened 1S, 1NT forcing and PD rebid 2H. Opps keep silent.

How do you think the chance of a game? If you make an invitation, it is almost impossible to have PD understood what you want.

[pclayton]

Its a guess. There are hands where a GRAND is cold: Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx (heavy 2H but you see my point). There are also hands where we will struggle in 2H: KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x.

Everything else falls in between. Anything could be right, but I think I'd opt for 3H at IMPs and probably MPs too but I might pass at MPs.

[han]

I agree with Phil's analysis, though I might choose different bids (I would likely pass at MPs, 3H at IMPs)

[mike777]

pclayton, on Dec 12 2005, 10:09 PM, said:

Its a guess. There are hands where a GRAND is cold: Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx (heavy 2H but you see my point). There are also hands where we will struggle in 2H: KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x.

Everything else falls in between. Anything could be right, but I think I'd opt for 3H at IMPs and probably MPs too but I might pass at MPs.

ditto.

[whereagles]

If opps are good, they'll know to lead a trump against a heart contract, after which you'll be struggling quite a bit.

If opps aren't that good, invite. Otherwise pass.

[P_Marlowe]

3H.

What is it, that partner does not understand?

He may believe, I hold 10-12 HCP
bal. with 4 card support, but who cares?
As long as he takes the bid as invitational.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: Looking at the above comment,
I agree, that 3H is probbaly IMP based,
but I will bid it anyway, even playing MP.

[Al_U_Card]

Looks like 2 D tricks and 2 spade ruffs (hopefully) so will pard have a hand that produces 5 tricks most of the time? I pass and if they compete with ♣ then I will bid 3H (I like plusses in any form of scoring).

[inquiry]

pclayton, on Dec 12 2005, 10:09 PM, said:

Its a guess. There are hands where a GRAND is cold: Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx (heavy 2H but you see my point). There are also hands where we will struggle in 2H: KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x.

Everything else falls in between. Anything could be right, but I think I'd opt for 3H at IMPs and probably MPs too but I might pass at MPs.

Playing RITON 2♣ rebids, you would pass, as you are likely to catch partner with the second hand (KQxxx, Qxxx, Axx, x or similar), since the first hand is clearly a 2♣ rebid (a good 15+ or better.... Axxxx, AKQx, void, Axxx).

Not playing RITON, I would close my eyes and guess. At matchponts, I would guess pass and try to go plus. At imps, I would issue a game try... so I agree with Hannie and mike777.

[FrancesHinden]

At the moment I have 14 cards.
If I'm 1426 I would bid game at imps.

The only way I have to invite is to raise 2H to 3H. Partner has no way of knowing that

xxxxx
AKxx
x
Axx

makes game on a 3-2 break, but

xxxxx
AKxx
Axx
x

goes off in 3H

If I'm 1435 I probably raise to 3H if I some way of doing so and not implying a 10-count (.e.g if a 1NT response was limited).

[Chamaco]

I pass.

The usual hole in standard system, and another example of why a Gazzilli/Riton 2C cannot be substituted by judgment alone...

[han]

Thanks Frances, for making us all look foolish (the 14 cards). I'm not sure that I agree with the premise that opener will not know whether to accept the invite. Opener is very wide ranging, and we likely have a good play for game if opener if maximal, and no play when opener is minimal. Opener also knows that we have at most 2 spades, so quick tricks there are good.

[bearmum]

adhoc3, on Dec 13 2005, 03:44 PM, said:

9 9876 xxx KQJxxx

Your PD opened 1S, 1NT forcing and PD rebid 2H. Opps keep silent.

How do you think the chance of a game? If you make an invitation, it is almost impossible to have PD understood what you want.

Can I see the actual hand please as the one you shoe has 14 cards?

I will PASS at MP and MAYBE bid 3♥ @IMPS

[adhoc3]

9 9876 xx KQJxxx

Sry

[Fluffy]

IMO my chances of making 4♥ are a bit more then 33% (chances of partner having ♣A), there are also some extra chances like soemsort of cross ruff after scoring 2 ♣ tricks.

at MP I would pass, at IMPs I might even bid 3♣ to play

[mcphee]

It is clear to raise to 3H. You could score a game easily opposite a weak 5/5 hand and the 2H rebid simply shows a hand not worth a GF j/s. I think to pass 2H is criminal really and doing so will start your partner on the road to making J/S with 5/5 16 counts or less!

[Fluffy]

I think 3♥ is wrong because this is the kind of hand where you don't want partner to count his HCP.

[Winstonm]

After long soul searching, I've convinced myself that pass is best for these reasons:

1) 3H overstates the strength of the hand both for offense and defense and only works when partner has substantial extras in either HCP or distribution.

2) The auction 1S-1N-2H-3H-4H is the type that propels the opponents into a speculative penalty double when they smell bad breaks.

3) If I were to bid, I'd want to be able to bid either 4H directly or 4C as a fit-showing jump and neither of these really describes my lack of goods.

4) Not every game or slam that makes is biddable - this may be one of those.

Winston

[Winstonm]

mcphee, on Dec 17 2005, 10:15 AM, said:

It is clear to raise to 3H. You could score a game easily opposite a weak 5/5 hand and the 2H rebid simply shows a hand not worth a GF j/s. I think to pass 2H is criminal really and doing so will start your partner on the road to making J/S with 5/5 16 counts or less!

If partner did this I would think him a result merchant, basing his future bidding on the result of one hand that is unbiddable. A better partner would acknowledge your bidding problem with a nod of the head and a ce la vie.

Winston

[MickyB]

4♥ at IMPs, pass at MPs

Edit: Or maybe 3♥ at MPs, I can't decide