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Six tricks and a couple of tens Enough for game?

#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2005-December-10, 10:36

Scoring: XIMP

Pard opens a 12-14 NT


Feeling frisky? There's no way to involve partner in this decision (unless you feel like making a straight invite).
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Posted 2005-December-10, 10:51

3C: Ace asking. :P

Seriously, though, pass. This is an application of the 30-point deck. Partner's hand is 12-14 outside of clubs. The opponents hold 16-18 outside of clubs. No matter what, we are outgunned either 12-18 or 14-16. Our side pretty much is forced to hold AAA or AK, A to overcome this disparity. IMO, one should never make a bid that for it to be right requires partner to hold precise cards - wasn't it Hamman who said, "Whatever card you are looking for I haven't got it."? In this hand, just make that cards.

Notice with a 15-17 NT that the divisions are: 15-15 and 17-13. At worst we hold equal strength outside of clubs and at best have a decided advantage. (Not a judgement on which is better, only the reason for the automatic 3N when playing strong NTs.)

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Posted 2005-December-10, 11:58

There are a lot of hands for partner that make 3nt excellent:

AKxx
Ax
xxxx
xxx

KQxx
xxxx
AKx
Jx

AKx
xxxx
AQx
xxx

These are not super-max hands or anything like that, they just involve a fair number of quick tricks. Ideal might be a "club invite" which would convince partner to bid game holding fast tricks and a club fit, and deter game with two small clubs and/or slow values.

Lacking this, we are vulnerable and it is imps, and I will try 3nt.
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Posted 2005-December-10, 12:00

2♠ would probably have showed 6 clubs, but partner wouldn't show a good hand for clubs without a top honour to solidify our suit!
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Posted 2005-December-10, 12:13

Damn the torpedoes. Full speed ahead.

3NT: hopefully I have 6 tricks, can I play P for 3?

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Posted 2005-December-10, 12:33

3NT, I have never liked the expression "WTP ?", but if I ever had to use it, I'd adopt it now ! :P
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Posted 2005-December-10, 12:56

3NT, WTP? :P
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Posted 2005-December-10, 14:31

I would bid 3N even at MP. Vul at imps I couldn't dream of doing anything else. They don't always make the best lead, and they usually have to on a deal like this (if there is one...we may just be cold).
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Posted 2005-December-10, 20:32

Jsut bid what you wanna play: 3NT
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Posted 2005-December-10, 22:06

3N.

Good hand for a simulation
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Posted 2005-December-10, 23:19

pclayton, on Dec 10 2005, 11:06 PM, said:

3N.

Good hand for a simulation

I agree. I would be interested in the odds of this 3N coming home as I may be totally of base in my thinking.

Not that it would change my mind, of course. I'm sure the numbers can be skewed to show 3N is always right. :unsure:

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Posted 2005-December-10, 23:37

I would bid 3NT and I don't think that this is that suitable for a simulation. Or rather, the outcome won't tell us that much, 3NT will make far more often in practice than double-dummy.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-December-11, 02:13

3NT: preemptive
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Posted 2005-December-11, 06:31

PASS :(
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Posted 2005-December-11, 08:46

3NT - you probably have 6 tricks - WTP?

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Posted 2005-December-11, 22:01

3NT. There are a lot of hands that make in any case, and defense might help too
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