[hrothgar]

Where are you getting these problems?

I SO want to pull an Al Roth and claim "In all my years of bridge I've never faced a problem like this". But I can't even do that...

I'm going to pass...

I've seen a lot of 3rd/4th seat openings on four card suits.
Glad we're playing IMPs

[han]

I was kibitzing this hand, it is real hrothgar .

2S seems better to me. If my partner opened 1S on a 4-card suit then they would pass 1NT, so I'm not worried about that. I also have some friendly cards, so if partner bids again over 2S with a good hand then that should not be a problem.

[Gerben42]

Seems that Justin attracts impossible problems. I think I'll pass.

[Winstonm]

Playing standard 2/1, do you have an option?: pard could be 5332. You can't risk playing the 3/3 fit with a known 5/2 or better is available. After all, that is one of the benefits of forcing nt: with 6142 and a strongish hand you can afford to bid 2D, knowing partner will prefer back to spades with 2 after which you can self raise.

[Gerben42]

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pard could be 5332

Not opposite a passed hand.

[mike777]

Jlall, on Dec 7 2005, 11:41 AM, said:

Playing imps you hold:

xx Qxxx JTx Axxx.

Pard opens 1S in fourth seat, you bid 1N, pard bids 2D, do you pass or bid 2S?

2S seems clear, I must be missing something?

WinstonM, I assume 1nt forcing is off by a passed hand and partner would pass with almost all 5332 shapes. Even playing forcing NT is not 2 club rebid the standard rebid with that shape on just 2 clubs?

I suppose partner may rebid 2clubs with 14-16 hcp with 5=2=3=3 shape after a forcing nt bid.


In any event expect partner to now have full opener with 5 spades and 4 D.

[luis]

I bid 2♠

[awm]

Pass...

It's not real clear which will play better, 2♠ or 2♦. Partner could have 5-5 in the pointed suits, or 6-4 with six spades. If partner has the typical 5-4 shape, it will depend a lot on suit quality.

My concern is that partner will try to bid on over 2♠. I think my hand is bad enough that this will not work out well. This is not the 7-count that makes me want to be in 3NT opposite 17.

[hrothgar]

Jlall, on Dec 7 2005, 07:51 PM, said:

I think if partner opened a 4 card major he would pass 1N knowing that bidding 2D will get him to a 4-2 very often. I can't even think of a shape where partner would want to bid over 1N with 4 spades. If he was 4441 1S would be weird as 1D (or 1H) keeps both majors in play, and he would probably want to pass 1N anyways with that shape. With 4 spades and 5 diamonds a 1S opener wouldn't make much sense, he could open 1D and rebid 1S with no problems at all. I don't think he has a subminimum "lead director" opener in 4th seat like he might in 3rd (in which case he'd be best off just passing 1N anyways before pard started inviting).

I'd open 1♠ and rebid 2♦ with the following hand...

♠ KQT9
♥ 4
♦ T9842
♣ AKJ

I admit that this is probably far from the mainstream

[Al_U_Card]

You didn't specify if 1NT was forcing by a passed hand.....(I play that it is not) so the 4th chair has some good hand with 5 spades or a Pearson 15 count with good diamonds. Either way, he does NOT want to play in NT so I like the preference back to S as he could still have only 4D and bid that way....

[Kalvan14]

2♠, wtp? I admit being swayed by the 2/1 approach

[luke warm]

frankly it wouldn't occur to me to do anything but bid 2♠ here, and i'd expect that bid to be better than pass by a very large margin, in the long run

[pclayton]

Pass.

With a 7 count, I'm not worried about missing game. With the appropriate hand, pard finds a jump shift or bids 2N. So, we are merely trying to land in the right partial.

A lot of the issue depends on pard's spade spots which are unknown. If pard has great texture, the 5-2 handles a little easier than the 4-3. But here, My J-10 diamonds look nice for ruffing the 3rd round of spades high.

Pard is typically 5-4, but could be 5-5. Its the good 6-4 that I worry about, but opposite a passed hand, I'm not sure partner should be monkeying around with a 2-step sequence either.

[HeartA]

Jlall, on Dec 7 2005, 11:41 AM, said:

Playing imps you hold:

xx Qxxx JTx Axxx.

Pard opens 1S in fourth seat, you bid 1N, pard bids 2D, do you pass or bid 2S?

2♠, non-brainer.

[mikeh]

I play 1N semi-forcing by a passed-hand, altho it took some persuasion to get me to do it. I have become a fan of it. I also play that 2♦ shows 4+, with 2♣ being highly suspect. Yes, I know about the problem hands for the method, but it solves other problems and I believe it to be worthwhile.

Anyway, if not forcing, then 2♦ is clearly at least 4. I pass: and await the normal trump lead with pleasure.

[Winstonm]

mike777, on Dec 7 2005, 12:25 PM, said:

Jlall, on Dec 7 2005, 11:41 AM, said:

Playing imps you hold:

xx Qxxx JTx Axxx.

Pard opens 1S in fourth seat, you bid 1N, pard bids 2D, do you pass or bid 2S?

2S seems clear, I must be missing something?

WinstonM, I assume 1nt forcing is off by a passed hand and partner would pass with almost all 5332 shapes. Even playing forcing NT is not 2 club rebid the standard rebid with that shape on just 2 clubs?

I suppose partner may rebid 2clubs with 14-16 hcp with 5=2=3=3 shape after a forcing nt bid.


In any event expect partner to now have full opener with 5 spades and 4 D.

Sorry. I didn't notice the 4th hand position of opening bidder so obviously this is not forcing NT.

With this particular hand I would pass 2D for the reason that I don't want to encourage partner with a goodish hand to bid more. Two spades gives him that chance and I really don't want to play in 3S or much of anywhere higher than 2D.

Winston

[flytoox]

I vote for 2S. Pd's rebid in 4th seat must either show a good hand or shape. I think Pass is wrong in IMPs, perhaps wrong in MP too.