Imps, you start the action with 1C. 1D on your left, 1S from pard, 2D on your right? What's your bid, and you DO play support Xs so please don't suggest X showing a strong hand
Nightmare problem
#1 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-December-07, 09:44
Imps, you start the action with 1C. 1D on your left, 1S from pard, 2D on your right? What's your bid, and you DO play support Xs so please don't suggest X showing a strong hand
#3
Posted 2005-December-07, 09:54
Seems like we have the choice of double, 2♥ or 3♦. There is a lot to be said for a quiet 2♥ bid - partner can show spade length, correct to 3♣ with a poor hand (after which I can bid 3♠) or do something more constructive. The only real issue is a jump to 4♥, at which point I'd have to hope that I can bid 4♠ and escape.
Paul
#4
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:03
I can't find a single call that is even remotely appealing
I'm torn between Pass, 2♥, 2NT, and 3♣
Each of these bids is a dreadful misrepresentation.
I feel more comfortable lying about a stopper than anything else, so mark me down for 2NT... On a good day, LHO will be afraid to lead Diamonds into my positional stopper.
#5
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:06
Ok, they won't redeal.
For me the choice is between:
Pass
2♥
double
I choose a slow, slow 2♥ and here is why:
Pass is not as terrible as it seems. If partner, with short(ish) ♦ cannot bid, there is at least a decent chance that we cannot make anything. Having said that, pass is a mighty big position to take with these values... even downgrading the hand as I do for the sterile shape.
2♥, the fake reverse, gets the job done in terms of conveying hcp but it is not particularly accurate in terms of shape. Ok, it is only 1 card out, but what do we do if partner raises? Can/will he raise on 3 card support? I don't think so, because he should have no more than 2♦ 95% of the time but that other 5% worries me: Jxxxx AJx xxx xx: what can he do other than raise ♥? If he raises, showing 5+♠ if he has 4♥, can we get back to ♠? I don't think so, not without strongly suggesting a 3=4=1=5 powerhouse. If we get raised in ♥, we stay in ♥. But he may be able to prefer ♣ or rebid ♠. I raise ♠ and worry about ♣ later.
double as the fake support double: I have extra hcp and my doubleton ♠ looks almost as strong as xxx
#6
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:10
I doubt I would find the 2♥ bid at the table, I'd probably go with the 3♣ underbid.
#7 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:18
#8
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:21
(I'm not saying it's the right call whatever it means, just that it affects what inferences partner has)
#9
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:21
I'll start with Double (yes, even playing support doubles, I lie on the 3rd spads, but it's more flexible to hear pard's rebid), and if pard does not bid 2NT, I'll bid 4S since we are likely to have nothing wasted in diamonds, and anything pard provides in the side suit should help.
#10
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:23
#11 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:27
FrancesHinden, on Dec 7 2005, 11:21 AM, said:
(I'm not saying it's the right call whatever it means, just that it affects what inferences partner has)
just 18-19 balanced, presumably with diamonds stopped. Denying 3 spades as well.
#12
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:35
#13
Posted 2005-December-07, 10:51
I have to put faith in my methods and my partner. My methods have no convenient way to show this hand while my partner is holding short diamonds and will act with many hands.
If he happens to hold weak spades and a flattish hand with a doubleton diamond honor, we might get to play 2D - and that might not be that bad anyway.
The real nightmare comes when pard reopens with a double - what the heck can I do then except bid 3D? Only thing I know for sure on this hand is that if partner at any time rebids spades I will treat it as a transfer to game.
Winston
#14
Posted 2005-December-07, 11:17
Jlall, on Dec 7 2005, 11:18 AM, said:
I wish you had not asked that
Actually, for me the 3♣ bid establishes a gf: partner had 2N as an artificial weakness bid, so I would bid 3♦, postponing my decision for yet another round
#15
Posted 2005-December-07, 11:49
BTW is good/bad 2nt on here, meaning we could not rebid a natural 2nt 18-19?
#16
Posted 2005-December-07, 12:02
Winston
#17
Posted 2005-December-07, 13:00
If pd bid 3C, I'll bid 3D to look for ♦ stopper.
#18
Posted 2005-December-07, 13:28
Jlall, on Dec 7 2005, 11:18 AM, said:
If I had rebid 2h, 3 clubs for me would be game force by responder.
Yes that means responder without 4 hearts would rebid 2s with weak hand and 5 spades or is forced to rebid 2nt which would not, repeat not, promise a stopper in D.
Assuming partner had rebid 2nt, no stopper promised, I then would rebid 3clubs, non forcing.....
Not that bad of a sequence actually....
#19
Posted 2005-December-07, 13:33
#20 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-December-07, 15:40
Clearly our most likely game is 4S even if it is a 5-2. Our KQs are so bad for 3N that even if partner has a diamond stop he needs a major suit ace and the club queen or both major suit aces to be able to make. If he has that 4S will probably make to if he also has 5 spades. The real danger hand is pard with the heart ace, the club queen, and the diamond K and 5 spades. In that case the support X lands you in 4S with 3N cold. Oh well.
On the upside it makes it much easier to get to a 5-2 spade game or stop in a partscore (admittedly 2H can help you stop in a partscore IF you have good agreements which was not the case at the time). It is still possible to play 3N opposite a hand with 4 spades and values, and won't lead to any nasty rebid problems.
After X it went 3D p p X for values, p 3S which was passed out (pard didn't bid 3S directly or jump to game over the second X and you have no real fit so game is very unlikely). This made. At the other table the player bid 2H and when his pard bid 3C, he tried 3D. His pard now bid 3N which went off 3. I basically agree with Phil that all of the options are reasonable (and they are also all sickening!) but I thought this was a particularly brutal hand.
If you pass you defend 2D which will make.

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