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#1 User is offline   han 

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Posted 2005-December-06, 13:33

Scoring: IMP

Pass-1C-3H-3S
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Philippe Cronier just had this hand on Vugraph. What would you bid, and what do you think Philippe bid?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-December-06, 13:40

I'd bid 5♥, I've heard down 1 is good bridge :lol:

I have no ieda who Philippe is or what he'd bid
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Posted 2005-December-06, 13:53

Philippe Cronier is a French international player, and he did not bid 5♥ :lol:. Also, 5♥ would not be down one (but you are close).
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-December-06, 14:03

7H. Whatever :lol:
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Posted 2005-December-06, 14:36

3NT of course
I need to protect pd's honors :-)
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Posted 2005-December-06, 15:00

Can you use a fit-showing jump in D to show your H? 6D otherwise 6H.
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Posted 2005-December-06, 15:21

I pass and let them play any game they bid, but bid 7♥ if they bid 6♠.
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Posted 2005-December-06, 15:27

Hi everyone

6NT

Do the French have a sense of humor?

What agreements do you have over a 6NT bid in this auction?

My agreement is that a double of 4NT asks for Aces, so that old joke doesn't work.

Over 5NT they can cue bid a minor to invite seven.

Over 6NT they might not have decent agreements. :lol:

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Posted 2005-December-06, 15:57

Why is 6N better than 7H? As a passed hand with the opps in a GF, 6N is very transparent, and gives them additional bids, IE Xing 6N then passing 7H, or more importantly bidding 7C over 6N. I don't understand the advantage.
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Posted 2005-December-06, 16:00

Can I bid 7♦ as a fit-jump, to help partner decide whether to take the eight-level sacrifice?

Oh well, I guess they banned those 8-level bids a while back. 7♥ looks pretty good right now.
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Posted 2005-December-06, 16:34

Double, for penalties. If they don't redouble, it will score less than 6♠ :lol:
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Posted 2005-December-06, 17:07

Cronier bid 7♥, this went for 800. At the other table the auction started the same (p-1C-3H-3S) but his counterpart only bid 6H. Now the opponents had little difficulty bidding 7S, which made.
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Posted 2005-December-06, 17:18

jillybean2, on Dec 6 2005, 07:40 PM, said:

I have no ieda who Philippe is or what he'd bid

That also happened to me when I joined the forums, everytime someone was quoting a book author wich seemed to be 'the last word of any discussion', ,yet I didn't ever heard of that guy, but since others seemed to afree on that opinion I had teh good sense not to claim I had no idea of who was that (probably american) guy whose word was to overule my common sense :lol:
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Posted 2005-December-06, 17:31

Now that you are almost an ex-junior, it may be time to read up on some American bridge literature Fluffy. Wasn't it Culbertson who said "if you don't know me then you ain't very good"?



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Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-December-06, 18:22

7H looks about right and a double looks fun. I'll leave the fit bids on the shelf this time.

Against real good opponents who respect my game (there aren't many :P) I might try a LOL 4H. After all, what good player only raises to 4 with 5 trump?
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Posted 2005-December-06, 20:27

neither opponent cares how many hearts you have Phil. One has a stiff ace, the other has a void :P.
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Posted 2005-December-06, 23:09

Hi Jlall

The question appeared to be a 'trick' question, so I answered with a 'trick answer.'

7H was somewhat 'obvious' so I 'guessed' that it could not be the answer.

4NT is 'known' to be a bluff and some pairs have an agreement that doubling the

4NT is RKC. Unlikey to be the right answer.

5NT left too much room for the other pair to bid.

6H seemed to 'push' them into 6S or allow them to make a forcing pass.

I am guessing that the 6NT bid is a fair guess as to what the answer to this 'trick

question' would be.

Was it you that answered 7Hs 'whatever'? I might be wrong with my 6NT 'guess',

however, I find it very hard to believe that your 7H answer is the 'right answer.'

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Posted 2005-December-08, 10:16

Hannie, on Dec 6 2005, 11:31 PM, said:

Now that you are almost an ex-junior, it may be time to read up on some American bridge literature Fluffy. Wasn't it Culbertson who said "if you don't know me then you ain't very good"?



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If they are card play ones...ok. But on a bidding one you know the first time I see a 3 card raise example I'll close the book and say: 'this guy has no clue of what is this game about' :)
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Posted 2005-December-08, 10:52

I never claimed 7H was "right," indeed I doubt anyone would be so silly as to say any bid is "right" on a hand like this. I do think it is definitely possible for some bids to be clearly inferior, for instance a 7N bid. I did not claim this was the case either for 6N, but I do wonder why it is ever better than a 7H bid (they are similar because both force to 7H) so I asked.

You seem to be trying to guess what the player did at the table while I'm trying to discuss the various tactics involved in actually bidding this hand.
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Posted 2005-December-08, 11:03

Pass. I only have 4 points. :)

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