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Back in your junior days your three quick tricks would mean that there is a slight chance 4♠ goes down for just less than a thousand ...
Those were the days you'd pass lightning fast.
Do you bid now?
Do you bid after partner's preempt?
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Posted 2005-November-23, 20:26
Your LHO passes and partner opens 4♠ white vs. red. After your RHO passes you give your cards a good stare:
Back in your junior days your three quick tricks would mean that there is a slight chance 4♠ goes down for just less than a thousand ...
Those were the days you'd pass lightning fast.
Do you bid now?
Back in your junior days your three quick tricks would mean that there is a slight chance 4♠ goes down for just less than a thousand ...
Those were the days you'd pass lightning fast.
Do you bid now?
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Posted 2005-November-23, 20:42
cinvent77, on Nov 23 2005, 09:26 PM, said:
Your LHO passes and partner opens 4♠ white vs. red. After your RHO passes you give your cards a good stare:
Back in your junior days your three quick tricks would mean that there is a slight chance 4♠ goes down for just less than a thousand ...
Those were the days you'd pass lightning fast.
Do you bid now?
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Back in your junior days your three quick tricks would mean that there is a slight chance 4♠ goes down for just less than a thousand ...
Those were the days you'd pass lightning fast.
Do you bid now?
Yes I bid 100%, I bid pass. partner has 6 or 7 tricks Good Luck partner!
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Posted 2005-November-23, 20:55
i guess it depends on what 4s means... do we play namyats? 
... i'd pass also
... i'd pass also
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Posted 2005-November-23, 21:43
Mike: Can partner really have only 6 tricks in second position?
Luke: Suppose you do play Namyats. Can you give a hand which opens 1♠, 4♥, 4♠?
In other words what to expect as a minimum?
Luke: Suppose you do play Namyats. Can you give a hand which opens 1♠, 4♥, 4♠?
In other words what to expect as a minimum?
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Posted 2005-November-23, 23:00
playing namyats i'd pass even faster.. i don't understand the rest of your question... are you asking for a minimum for 3 different opening bids, or are you asking what
1s : 4h
4s
shows?
if the second option, it shows an opening hand not interested in slam opposite a heart splinter.. if playing namyats, a 4M bid should be the same as a 3M bid with maybe another trick and 8+ cards ... iow, a bid designed to preempt the opps (assuming namyats)
1s : 4h
4s
shows?
if the second option, it shows an opening hand not interested in slam opposite a heart splinter.. if playing namyats, a 4M bid should be the same as a 3M bid with maybe another trick and 8+ cards
... iow, a bid designed to preempt the opps (assuming namyats)
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Posted 2005-November-23, 23:16
I'm sorry if the question was unclear. I meant to ask what the minimum for the three different opening bid was.
In this case opener had ♠AKQxxxxx, singleton ♥, void ♦ and four ♣. It seems to me that opening 4♠ is about right: a good pre-empt, 8 playing tricks, in second position. Opening 1♠ is not good I think. I saw that some responders raised to 6♠ and frankly I don't see why. Next time I'm going to pass again.
Have to admit I prefer a more solid style these days
In this case opener had ♠AKQxxxxx, singleton ♥, void ♦ and four ♣. It seems to me that opening 4♠ is about right: a good pre-empt, 8 playing tricks, in second position. Opening 1♠ is not good I think. I saw that some responders raised to 6♠ and frankly I don't see why. Next time I'm going to pass again.
Have to admit I prefer a more solid style these days
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Posted 2005-November-24, 02:11
Pray, that you can make the contract and Pass.
I would expect to make more often tan not, but
the contract can fail.
Marlowe
I would expect to make more often tan not, but
the contract can fail.
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2005-November-24, 02:15
cinvent77, on Nov 24 2005, 12:16 AM, said:
I'm sorry if the question was unclear. I meant to ask what the minimum for the three different opening bid was.
In this case opener had ♠AKQxxxxx, singleton ♥, void ♦ and four ♣. It seems to me that opening 4♠ is about right: a good pre-empt, 8 playing tricks, in second position. Opening 1♠ is not good I think. I saw that some responders raised to 6♠ and frankly I don't see why. Next time I'm going to pass again.
Have to admit I prefer a more solid style these days
In this case opener had ♠AKQxxxxx, singleton ♥, void ♦ and four ♣. It seems to me that opening 4♠ is about right: a good pre-empt, 8 playing tricks, in second position. Opening 1♠ is not good I think. I saw that some responders raised to 6♠ and frankly I don't see why. Next time I'm going to pass again.
Have to admit I prefer a more solid style these days
Hi,
in the end it is a style isssue,
how aggressive are your 4S
openings green vs. red.
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2005-November-24, 03:40
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Mike: Can partner really have only 6 tricks in second position?
Naturally! Pass and put dummy down with the words "I hope this is enough"
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In this case opener had ♠AKQxxxxx, singleton ♥, void ♦ and four ♣. It seems to me that opening 4♠ is about right: a good pre-empt, 8 playing tricks, in second position.
Way too rich for me for 4♠, which is why I prefer to have Namyats on my card.
Gerben
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Posted 2005-November-24, 04:24
Pass
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Posted 2005-November-24, 05:58
cinvent77, on Nov 24 2005, 12:16 AM, said:
I'm sorry if the question was unclear. I meant to ask what the minimum for the three different opening bid was.
In this case opener had ♠AKQxxxxx, singleton ♥, void ♦ and four ♣. It seems to me that opening 4♠ is about right: a good pre-empt, 8 playing tricks, in second position. Opening 1♠ is not good I think. I saw that some responders raised to 6♠ and frankly I don't see why. Next time I'm going to pass again.
Have to admit I prefer a more solid style these days
In this case opener had ♠AKQxxxxx, singleton ♥, void ♦ and four ♣. It seems to me that opening 4♠ is about right: a good pre-empt, 8 playing tricks, in second position. Opening 1♠ is not good I think. I saw that some responders raised to 6♠ and frankly I don't see why. Next time I'm going to pass again.
Have to admit I prefer a more solid style these days
Partner has a maximum 4S opener (while the 8 card spade suit is not unexpected, he certainly didn't have to have an albatross or 8-4).
Partner also has the right void, opposite our Q-high suit.
So after partner has a maximum with the right shortage, slam is still slightly worse than the club finesse.
That implies it must be right to pass.
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Posted 2005-November-24, 06:11
PASS wtp?
Trixi
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Posted 2005-November-24, 06:15
Once again a "trust your partner" answer -- PASS why in the h### would you do anything else ?? WTP? 
(Mind you If P has made a totally stupid bid and you make a slam then GET SHOOT PARTNER{joke}
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(Mind you If P has made a totally stupid bid and you make a slam then GET SHOOT PARTNER{joke}
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Posted 2005-November-24, 07:51
If partner was 2nd in hand vulnerable vs not, i'd really have to think about it. Otherwise, there's no problem.
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Posted 2005-November-24, 13:59
In my junior years I learned that preempts work, and bridge is not for the meek.
Pass.
Pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-November-24, 14:13
Regarding NAMYATS, the 4D bid would show a hand that has no potential and the 4S hand has something to gain by being declarer........so I would say that pard expected to preempt them out of game by going down the correct number on a H? lead perhaps? So with the equivalent of a strong NT opposite a long suit, game bid and made seems likely........or maybe they'll balance and I can ring the dinner bell.
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Posted 2005-November-24, 15:43
Vulnerability asks for precaution. Sure partner can have 8 good ♠. Yet that is not enough for winning 6.
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Posted 2005-November-25, 01:05
Just read "Albatross". Never heard this before and I love it!
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2005-November-25, 06:49
Pass and hope the club king is onside.
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Posted 2005-November-25, 07:04
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n my junior years I learned that preempts work
But they work more against weaker opponents.
I used to play that white vs red 3 of a major would show a hand too WEAK to make a weak two (think Qxxxxx and out). Almost always opponents bid something after that, after all they were red vs white and couldn't imagine setting us 4 times against their vuln. game. Except exactly ONCE. One lady made a TO double and the other passed thinking it was penalty. Anyway, I DID have exacly 6 to the Queen and out at this point, but partner had 3 to the King and some helpful shape. Down ONE for a top
Now that I think of it, why am I not playing this anymore? Must be getting old...
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And bridge is not for the meek.
Ron Klinger said: The meek will inherit the Earth, but they don't win at bridge.
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Regarding NAMYATS, the 4D bid would show a hand that has no potential and the 4S hand has something to gain by being declarer
No, it would simply show a better hand, trickwise.