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Awkward rebid

Poll: Your Call? (45 member(s) have cast votes)

Your Call?

  1. 1[sp] (9 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. 2[cl] (17 votes [37.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.78%

  3. 2[he] (12 votes [26.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  4. 3[cl] (3 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  5. 3[he] (3 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  6. Other (1 votes [2.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.22%

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#1 User is offline   Echognome 

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Posted 2005-November-14, 03:06

Scoring: IMP

1♣ - 1♥
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Posted 2005-November-14, 03:12

I'd probably go with 3♣. I am not actually that big of a believer in suit quality. Obviously it'd be great if this showed 6+♣ and 3♥, but regardless I will bid it anyway.

Partner usually bids over 3♣, and we should be well-placed to reach the best contract if partner does bid. The 3♣ call basically only gives us a bad result when partner passes it, and has short clubs.

The other options seem a lot worse -- 1♠ really causes problems if partner decides to raise, since it will be almost impossible to back into hearts or notrump. 2♥ and 2♣ seem like huge underbids. 3♥ basically commits to hearts, which could be right but could also easily be wrong.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 03:30

I'd bid 2♥, although I would not mind 1♠.

If the rebid 3♣ specifically promises 3 card support (as some players agree), that could be acceptable, but I think that would make it hard for pard to evaluate properly his hand (e.g. he might downgrade any spade honor).
And, 3♣ loses a lot of space, leaving pard to guess at the 3 level whether the side honors are fitting or not.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 03:36

2C, followed by 3C

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Posted 2005-November-14, 03:48

2♥ for me. I choose to lie by underbidding; 2♥ is the most encouraging underbid that I can find.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 05:09

2♥. I support extremely rarely with 3 cards, and it almost always leads to a disaster, but I believe it is the best bid here because of the two top honors in hearts, because the shorter trump will stop their diamonds, and because I compensate both with points and controls the lack of the fourth trump. If I ever saw a hand suggesting playing with a Moysian fit, this is it.

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Posted 2005-November-14, 05:14

ochinko, on Nov 14 2005, 11:09 AM, said:

<Snip> If I ever saw a hand suggesting playing with a Moysian fit, this is it.

Is KQx of hearts really that suited to a Moysian? Axx is much nicer.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 05:26

Echognome, on Nov 14 2005, 11:14 AM, said:

ochinko, on Nov 14 2005, 11:09 AM, said:

<Snip> If I ever saw a hand suggesting playing with a Moysian fit, this is it.

Is KQx of hearts really that suited to a Moysian? Axx is much nicer.

KQx is good for
..a. dummy reversal if pard has values in diamonds and we do not get tapped in ♦,
..b. keeping trump control while scrambling the sidesuit tricks.
..c. entries to the long clubs.


Axx is better for ruffing diamonds losers.

Moysian fits can be played with many different techniques according to the situation depending on whether we'll be in a partscore or game, and the respective texture of trumps and sidesuit.

Both Axx and KQx may be good or bad according to responder's holding in the minors.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 05:47

Interesting... since I've adapted this hand from a book on famous bridge hands and that was the comment by the (well known) authors. Your views may differ of course.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 06:01

Echognome, on Nov 14 2005, 11:47 AM, said:

Interesting... since I've adapted this hand from a book on famous bridge hands and that was the comment by the (well known) authors.  Your views may differ of course.

I think a lot of it depends on the presence of a long sidesuit in dummy, and of course - as I said - by the minor suit holding by responder.

I haveno doubt that in some cases (e.g. responder holding xxxx in diamonds), Axx works better.

Could u post the hand and the commentary you referred to ? Did it have a 6+ sidesuit in the same hand of the 3 card support ?
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Posted 2005-November-14, 06:17

2♥ is fine playing weak NT. Not convinced that 2♥ is more encouraging than 2♣ in a strong NT system...really have no idea what I'd bid here.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 06:26

2♣ and I don't lie !

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Posted 2005-November-14, 06:59

Choice 1: a slight underbid of 2♣.
Choice 2: a slight overbid of 3♣.

I go with #2, though I can live with #1.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 07:38

joker_gib, on Nov 14 2005, 12:26 PM, said:

2♣ and I don't lie !

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Posted 2005-November-14, 07:39

I don't like 2♣ (too big an underbid) or 3♣ (suit is no where good enough for 3♣), likewise 2♥ is too big of an underbid. So, I would go with the pedestrian 1♠ or, if playing NMFO (new minor forcign by opener) an odd looking 2♦ planning on A) passing a 2♥ response or bidding 3♥ over anything else. Most likely I am not playing NMFO here, so 1♠ for me in this poll.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 07:43

inquiry, on Nov 14 2005, 02:39 PM, said:

I don't like 2♣ (too big an underbid)

In my method, 2♣ is 12-17(-) so I don't see where it's an underbid, sorry

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Posted 2005-November-14, 09:02

I was the other genius that voted for 1S...lol. I usually avoid bids like this, and it was a well thought out hand. I usually bid 2H, but this hits the upper limit for me. 2C has a higher upper limit, but I'd rather raise hearts which is more likely to encourage partner and get us to the best game. 3C is unfathomable to me on this suit. 1S will leave me very well placed if partner does not raise (or pass), and I will have a decent chance at surviving if he does raise (over 2S I will bid 4H and we may get to a good moysian, a bad moysian, or a 5-3 heart fit if I'm lucky).
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Posted 2005-November-14, 10:26

Can anyone please advice why dbl is out of consideration?

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Posted 2005-November-14, 10:33

adhoc3, on Nov 14 2005, 11:26 AM, said:

Can anyone please advice why dbl is out of consideration?

Thanks

It is not a legal bid over your partner's 1H :D
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Posted 2005-November-14, 10:34

adhoc3, on Nov 14 2005, 11:26 AM, said:

Can anyone please advice why dbl is out of consideration?

Thanks

2clubs.

In many parts of USA you are not allowed to double your partner's bids, no matter how much you want to sometimes.
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