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Win or duck?

Poll: What to do in trick one? (13 member(s) have cast votes)

What to do in trick one?

  1. Duck, if South wins and retuns diamond, ruff with the Ten. (4 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  2. Duck, if South wins and retuns diamond, ruff with the Ace. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Win, then cash trump King (2 votes [15.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  4. Win, then play the Jack of trump for the Ace (7 votes [53.85%])

    Percentage of vote: 53.85%

  5. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   helene_t 

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Posted 2005-November-17, 06:12

Scoring: MP

-- -- 1♦ pass
1♥ 1♠ 3♥ pass
6♥ a.p.
North leads ♦6

Matchpoints, intermediate opps. According to their reputation, the bidding shows that they both have 13 cards, and the lead of ♦6 shows that North has six of diamonds.

If you win with the Ace, you may loose a trump and a club if trumps are 3-0 and you misguess. If you duck, you will loose if the lead is a singleton and North is able to over-ruff the diamond return with the Queen.
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Posted 2005-November-17, 09:32

ah matchpoints. This all depends who I am playing against. Against any advanced or better player, or a tricky novice/intermediate I would always duck and ruff with the ten on the way back if it lost.

Against a straight forward intermediate, I would probably take the lead for a stiff and pop ace and play the ace of hearts but that is quite a view.
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Posted 2005-November-17, 09:48

Why's that, Justin? Because advanced players are less likely to lead a singleton?

Btw, ducking is probably more likely to give you an overtrick. But it's unclear how big a fraction of the field will be in slam.
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Posted 2005-November-17, 10:04

I don't think more then half the field will be in slam, so making is good enough.

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Posted 2005-November-17, 10:36

I voted for win the ♦A and play a heart to the ace. Then ruff the 5th ♦ high for a club discard and ruff 2♠ in the dummy. This line will win 12 tricks unless north overcalled on:

♠QTxxx
♥
♦Kxxxx
♣???

If hearts split 2-1 and diamonds 4-3 then I make 13 tricks.
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Posted 2005-November-17, 10:50

helene_t, on Nov 17 2005, 10:48 AM, said:

Why's that, Justin? Because advanced players are less likely to lead a singleton?

Advanced players are less likely to lead a singleton when holding the trump queen. Advanced players are also very likely to lead a diamond away from the king on this bidding. It is a well known thing to lead away from your king of dummy's side suit to do 1 of two things:

1) force declarer to commit to a line at trick one (eliminate possibility of combining chances)

2) make him think you have a singleton and be afraid to finesse.

This would not be common for an intermediate player though.

But as PMetsch wrote, winning the ace will give you the overtrick on a 4-3 break. I overlooked that for some reason, so that makes playing the ace clearly right.
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Posted 2005-November-17, 16:12

The question should be how to make the overtrick, ♦ lead suggests the K, but you can be safer jsut trying for the ♦4-3. It heavily depends on whoom I am playing against. If they are the kind of players unable oto remember a deal after being played I will raise with the ace. Otherwise I would duck.
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