[Echognome]

Scoring: IMP

(1♦) - X - (2♦) - P
(P) - 2♠ - (P) - ?

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What now?

[awm]

2NT. If we have a game, it is fairly likely to be in notrump where we need one trick fewer and the diamond queen and jack will actually have some value. I might try 3NT if our overcalls are pretty wide-ranging (i.e. partner shows something like 18+ or 19+ here) but will stick to 2NT if 2♠ could be a good 16.

[bearmum]

awm, on Nov 14 2005, 10:05 PM, said:

2NT. If we have a game, it is fairly likely to be in notrump where we need one trick fewer and the diamond queen and jack will actually have some value. I might try 3NT if our overcalls are pretty wide-ranging (i.e. partner shows something like 18+ or 19+ here) but will stick to 2NT if 2♠ could be a good 16.

ITA P can take it out if he doesn't like the look of NT -- IMO all I am showing is a few points and ONE D stopper

[Fluffy]

With my refular partner this hand is slam oriented (ok, I exagerate, but you take the point) since we almost never double then bid suit (only with very strrong hands).

With a pickup partner I would follow adam's advice, he is more used to it

[FrancesHinden]

If partner can have a horrible 19-count with a 5-card spade suit, I pass.
With my regular partners I am nearly worth a game force.

I think I will try 3D followed by 3NT to show uncertainty about the correct game (if partner has AKxxxx AKx - Kxxx then 4S is a better contract).

[Echognome]

FrancesHinden, on Nov 14 2005, 02:42 PM, said:

If partner can have a horrible 19-count with a 5-card spade suit, I pass.
With my regular partners I am nearly worth a game force.

I think I will try 3D followed by 3NT to show uncertainty about the correct game (if partner has AKxxxx AKx - Kxxx then 4S is a better contract).

If this refers to the other post about the 19 count with a bad spade suit, it is unrelated. It is just a bidding poll, I don't have the whole hand.

[joker_gib]

awm, on Nov 14 2005, 10:05 AM, said:

2NT. If we have a game, it is fairly likely to be in notrump where we need one trick fewer and the diamond queen and jack will actually have some value. I might try 3NT if our overcalls are pretty wide-ranging (i.e. partner shows something like 18+ or 19+ here) but will stick to 2NT if 2♠ could be a good 16.

I agree totally !

[P_Marlowe]

Pass is probbaly to conservative,
and I have a fit for partner, ... 3S.

Marlowe

[mike777]

2nt

[Robert]

Hello everyone

This is a matter of style. I am in the 'very strong' double and suit rebid camp.

I would also venture 2NT(withholding my spade support) because of this hands strong NT 'values with a 'like minded' partner.

Playing with an average pick up partner, pass is clear cut(IMO) If he might hold 16HCP opposite this hand, he might continue to bid after hearing my 2NT bid.

If partner happens to be of the Edgar Kaplan style of bidding, I jump to 3NT.

Regards,
Robert

[luis]

Did somebody mention a slam try? That's quite insane because the hand despite the point count is absolutely horrible, I don't think it can even contribute a single trick to any contract we play.
Not vulnerable I just pass 2♠ I don't mind missing a non vulnerable game, they can bid 3♦ and I will be happy to double, the hand is 100% defense.

[Al_U_Card]

Well, dbl then 2S as a balance shows a nice suit and 16+ hcp to me. My 7 hcp balanced mishmosh opposite a 3S bid, or other rock crusher, would give me pause for thot. I like pluses, so I pass. (the quack of D should produce useful tricks for pard no?....lol)

[Trpltrbl]

Most of the time I will bid 3♠, I do have a fit.
I might, mostly in MP's, bid 2NT because of all my slow values. I do have more then I promised.

GBB

[whereagles]

I'll bid 3NT, but only because it's imps. At matchpoints I just pass out this junky hand.. lol.

[han]

2NT seems right. I expect a very good hand from partner. (and of course the fact that partner is now balancing is completely irrelevant)

[Kalvan14]

Partner should have a pretty good hand. My slow tricks are more useful in NT thatn in a ♠ contract. 3♦ is a nice bid, but I doubt it would convey the right message. 2NT (or maybe even 3NT) looks the right bid.

[Al_U_Card]

Hannie, on Nov 14 2005, 05:44 PM, said:

2NT seems right. I expect a very good hand from partner. (and of course the fact that partner is now balancing is completely irrelevant)

Well, the fact that you didn't act after his double is hardly irrelevant. You heard his bid and declined the offer. He will take that into consideration and play you for fewer useful values.

[beatrix45]

Close decision between pass and 3♠. Pass at matchpoints and 3♠ vul at IMPs. If you look at it with Mike Lawrence's FTL analysis, we probably have about 20 working HCP and our two shortest suits add up to four.

13-4-0 = 9 tricks

for our working HCP to put us over the top for game, pard needs 19 or 20. Or pard could be 5-5 or 6-4 so that he is looking at both short suits. Still, I hate my QJ of diamonds, the opps have to be bidding on something.

[awm]

Wow, pass is pretty amazing. What's the upper limit on 2♠? I think anything that can't force game opposite a yarborough is pretty much okay (I would play double followed by a jump to 3♠ as 100% forcing here). Give partner something like:

AKTxxx
AKxx
-
xxx

I don't even think this is enough for the double and then bid, but yet 4♠ seems reasonable even at MPs.

KQTxx
AKx
x
AQxx

Not much beyond a minimum for partner's bids, but 3nt and 4♠ both have play.

Our hand includes three spades to an honor, a possibly useful heart queen, and some other scattered values. If partner opened a natural 1♠ I wouldn't pass. How can I pass now when partner has shown a substantially stronger hand?